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Old 01-24-2020, 11:27 AM
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Virginia counties to secede?

Super interesting idea. Doubt it would actually happen, but we can hope.

Then there's the other side, saying maybe this would be giving up, and perhaps they're right. I haven't made up my mind yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wes...es-gun-control
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:53 AM
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Secession is a strong word. It violates the ideals and possibly some laws of this nation.

But, when your government becomes your opponent, and your opponent changes the rules constantly to benefit his game plan, well, I believe the gander as well may benefit from that which has been bestowed upon the goose.

Elections have consequences, but so do actions.
The government should think before they act.
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Old 01-24-2020, 12:09 PM
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When West Virginia was created from western counties of Virginia, provisions were made to allow certain counties to vote to join WV or remain Virginia counties. The Virginia county surrounding Winchester, Fredrick county, never voted. Thus Fredrick county can legally join WV if the vote is taken and passes.
West Virginia has always been happy to welcome Fredrick to the State.
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Old 01-24-2020, 12:09 PM
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Super interesting idea. Doubt it would actually happen, but we can hope.

Then there's the other side, saying maybe this would be giving up, and perhaps they're right. I haven't made up my mind yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wes...es-gun-control

Secession happened before, don't think for one second that it can't happen again 170 years later.

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Old 01-24-2020, 12:20 PM
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Succession happened before, don't think for one second that it can't happen again 170 years later.
Agreed

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Old 01-25-2020, 06:05 PM
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Secession happened before, don't think for one second that it can't happen again 170 years later.
The Dumbs are trying to start Civil War II.
Guess they want to try again.
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:49 PM
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JMO.....but today’s a lot different than 170 years ago.

New governments are stupid expensive. Additionally, everyone is tied to too much fed money.

No one wants to go it alone once they see the price tag.
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:56 PM
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The heading needs to be fixed...no thanks to spell check!

The political hacks in VA don't understand the rich history surrounding individual rights, the Constitution and the 2A. And the sleeping dog they are about to wake up!

Important Founding Fathers from VA include G. Washington, T. Jefferson and G. Mason.

If these guys sound familiar but their involvement escapes you please take the time to read their biographies. These will open the doors to an adventure you won't regret and ground you in the love of country and freedom that we should all embrace!

All the best in 2020,
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Old 01-24-2020, 04:21 PM
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When we succeed in driving these aparatchiks out.

And back under the rocks from where they came. Then we should consider that we are at least somewhat successful in our campaign for righteousness. At that point It will no longer be necessary for us to consider secession.
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"Succeed" in what?
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Been thinking on this subject for a while. We all think -- in varying degrees -- that a civil war is likely unavoidable unless a mass outbreak of common sense happens soon.

If there is one, I'm not quite sure it would be states abandoning the Union to establish a new Confederacy... the way I see, it, the Union could choose to eject the miscreant states proactively.

What I"m getting at is, I don't want the Stars and Bars to be the symbol of the Right. I want it to be the Stars and Stripes -- because that's the flag that we earned the last time we had to eject tyrants from these shores.

Symbols will matter. I refuse to have the Left take Old Glory. **** no.
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:48 PM
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Been thinking on this subject for a while. We all think -- in varying degrees -- that a civil war is likely unavoidable unless a mass outbreak of common sense happens soon.

If there is one, I'm not quite sure it would be states abandoning the Union to establish a new Confederacy... the way I see, it, the Union could choose to eject the miscreant states proactively.

What I"m getting at is, I don't want the Stars and Bars to be the symbol of the Right. I want it to be the Stars and Stripes -- because that's the flag that we earned the last time we had to eject tyrants from these shores.

Symbols will matter. I refuse to have the Left take Old Glory. **** no.
I agree. The old Confederacy was created by angry Democrats that didn't approve of the concept of freedom for every man. Today's Democrats are the same, whether they realize it or not. The condition of inner-cities today should be a clear indicator of how much they really care about the descendants of the slaves their own party tried to prevent from being free.

The left should form their own nation, with their own inclusive flag. It could be the democracy they've always dreamed of. We could keep being the land of the free, and fly the stars and stripes with pride.
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The left should form their own nation, with their own inclusive flag. It could be the democracy they've always dreamed of. We could keep being the land of the free, and fly the stars and stripes with pride.
A flag with a big boot stomping on the subjects in chains!
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These worshippers of all that is evil.

They do not have the sand to cross the Rubicon.
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Old 01-29-2020, 08:53 AM
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The sanctuary movement has spread to other states although it's still mostly symbolic. What these counties next need to do is show real unity and form an alliance of some sort with a strong single statement of what they believe and what they will do to protect the Constitution.
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Old 01-29-2020, 09:30 PM
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As some in the south say. "At first you dont secede try try again"
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Old 01-30-2020, 06:18 PM
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Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
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Old 01-30-2020, 06:26 PM
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Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
General Sherman and a bunch of other war criminals are responsible for the lions share of debauchery. And it was secretary Staunton that largely was responsible for the totally corrupt reconstruction practices. It can be argued that ill advised reconstruction policies that inevitably led to Jim crow. That this caused far more destruction to the Southern states than the actual war did. 6-700,000 dead souls notwithstanding.
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Old 01-30-2020, 06:58 PM
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Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
You did not have places like chicago to point to as exhibit A of what join the CSA back then. You could just warn what might happen. This time it wont be north south. It will be conservatives and liberals and i predict it will go down like cowboys and indians with conservatives being the cowboys.

Think of it. We hunt, shoot, fish and the other side has an issue with knowing there are only two genders and that boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. I like our odds.

As bad as things have gotten I think next time it will be until the last baby is killed type war which i hope it never comes to that, but the writing is on the wall on where our nation is headed. And if you really want to be honest who is causing it and who is using who to cause it.
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Last time we tried to secede Lincoln tried to kill all of us and then we were under carpet bagger rule, still are to a certain extent.
They wouldn't be seceding. They are simply transfering to a different state. Completely legal.
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Old 01-31-2020, 12:29 AM
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A lot of people died, I'll give you that, but you should read up on Lincoln, he hated every second of the "Uncivil" war, and he didn't start it, contrary to the re-writers of history.

But if there is another war it will be a continuation of the revolutionary war, the throwing out of tyrants whose aim is that of destroying Liberty.

Lincoln believed all human beings that were here legally should have Liberty, and the slavery issue was contrary to the Constitution "With Liberty and Justice for all".

Please stop equating the struggle for Liberty with that war for slavery, this struggle is to RETURN America to its foundations, not to overthrow them.

The way I see it is that a serious movement needs to be established, founded on the Constitution, on Freedom and the rights of mankind. Not rights to murder and enslave others for greed's sake, but the right to work hard and build a life, a good life that hurts no one else.
This movement needs careful planning and implementation, in all things legally per the Constitution, because we know the Founder's expected us to overthrow tyrants, so there has to be a legally declared opposition with the fall back of the righteous use of arms by all who love this country.
It's also clear that there can be no legal right to take up arms against the Constitution, so anyone who opposes the movement is a true outlaw and needs to be dealt with, with compassion if possible but with strength and determination if not.

This pathway is so clearly set before us that any other path looks stupid by comparison because we cannot negotiate away our Constitutional rights. We have to establish a new government, within the old one if possible but by any means if not, because those who oppose the Framer's ideas is a traitor, pure and simple.

I hate it that all the things I saw 60 years ago are coming to fruition, and it's happened far slower than I expected but stopping it will not happen by piecemeal activities, nor by constant preaching to the choir, we have to start thinking for the long term and be willing to sacrifice everything for Freedom. Otherwise, we may as well just give up our guns, and everything else we love, and hope death comes quickly.
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The way I see it is that a serious movement needs to be established, founded on the Constitution, on Freedom and the rights of mankind. Not rights to murder and enslave others for greed's sake, but the right to work hard and build a life, a good life that hurts no one else.
This movement needs careful planning and implementation, in all things legally per the Constitution, because we know the Founder's expected us to overthrow tyrants, so there has to be a legally declared opposition with the fall back of the righteous use of arms by all who love this country.
It's also clear that there can be no legal right to take up arms against the Constitution, so anyone who opposes the movement is a true outlaw and needs to be dealt with, with compassion if possible but with strength and determination if not.

This pathway is so clearly set before us that any other path looks stupid by comparison because we cannot negotiate away our Constitutional rights. We have to establish a new government, within the old one if possible but by any means if not, because those who oppose the Framer's ideas is a traitor, pure and simple.
Well said. Thank you!!
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