H. Clinton and conservative wishful, magical thinking... - 1911Forum
1911Forum
Advertise Here
Forum   Reviews   Rules   Legal   Site Supporters & Donations   Advertise


Go Back   1911Forum > >

Notices


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-30-2016, 07:35 AM
RevCain777 RevCain777 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 493
H. Clinton and conservative wishful, magical thinking...

First, my caveat. All my adult life I have been a conservative Republican and strong 2A advocate. And I will be so until I die.

Having said that, I am amazed at the wishful, magical thinking employed by my fellow conservatives regarding Hillary Clinton. Some examples I've seen and heard lately.

1. Conservatives who keep thinking Clinton will be carted off to jail. Perhaps she deserves it, but what total folly to pin the hopes of an election on this happening.

2. Thinking Benghazi will become an election altering issue. I have no doubt it is a legit issue, but there is no evidence this is the game changer many conservatives think it to be.

3. Thinking the emails will become an election altering issue. Again, those who already disliked Clinton are certainly bolstered by this issue. But for the majority of those going to the polls in November, this is not a game changer either.

4. Conservative denial about the LOCK the Democrats have on the Electoral College. Can Trump REALLY win Florida, Virginia, Ohio and Penn, and Colorado? Without huge, and I mean HUGE, shifts in the College, the vote is very fixed at 347 to 191.

5. Conservatives who believe if we keep behaving like middle schoolers and refer to Clinton as "Hitlery" this will somehow change the election. Nope. It makes us look silly and galvanizes support for the Democrats.

6. The belief hordes of Blacks, Latinos, and suburban and single women will stay home on election day, while throngs of disgruntled whites will rise up and go vote.

7. Etc...

If on the morning of November 9 I am wrong about this, I will be MORE than happy to by the 1911 Forum members a beer!
  #2  
Old 07-30-2016, 07:41 AM
SamlautRanger SamlautRanger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cambodia/South East Asia, and Indiana
Posts: 4,989
A lot of truth in your post there. Thanks for sharing.
  #3  
Old 07-30-2016, 07:54 AM
powrguy powrguy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
We are all DOOMED, DOOMED....I tell ya....
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 07-30-2016, 07:55 AM
SamlautRanger SamlautRanger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cambodia/South East Asia, and Indiana
Posts: 4,989
^using history as our guide.....yep, pretty much so.
  #5  
Old 07-30-2016, 08:03 AM
markbob45 markbob45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,914
Yep
  #6  
Old 07-30-2016, 08:12 AM
Plantar5 Plantar5 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 6,219
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevCain777 View Post
First, my caveat. All my adult life I have been a conservative Republican and strong 2A advocate. And I will be so until I die.

Having said that, I am amazed at the wishful, magical thinking employed by my fellow conservatives regarding Hillary Clinton. Some examples I've seen and heard lately.

1. Conservatives who keep thinking Clinton will be carted off to jail. Perhaps she deserves it, but what total folly to pin the hopes of an election on this happening.

2. Thinking Benghazi will become an election altering issue. I have no doubt it is a legit issue, but there is no evidence this is the game changer many conservatives think it to be.

3. Thinking the emails will become an election altering issue. Again, those who already disliked Clinton are certainly bolstered by this issue. But for the majority of those going to the polls in November, this is not a game changer either.

4. Conservative denial about the LOCK the Democrats have on the Electoral College. Can Trump REALLY win Florida, Virginia, Ohio and Penn, and Colorado? Without huge, and I mean HUGE, shifts in the College, the vote is very fixed at 347 to 191.

5. Conservatives who believe if we keep behaving like middle schoolers and refer to Clinton as "Hitlery" this will somehow change the election. Nope. It makes us look silly and galvanizes support for the Democrats.

6. The belief hordes of Blacks, Latinos, and suburban and single women will stay home on election day, while throngs of disgruntled whites will rise up and go vote.

7. Etc...

If on the morning of November 9 I am wrong about this, I will be MORE than happy to by the 1911 Forum members a beer!
I would not necessarily disagree with your points. I just posted a similar view in another thread.

Let's presume she's innocent of the things we all know to be true(your points 1-3)

The woman has NO PLAN....on anything!
She's now taking credit for Bills economic success from the 90s??
Her 'experience' does not translate into anything good for the country.
The results of her experience is horrible.
(Rhetorical)...Name any positive accomplishments for the country by, First Lady Hillary, senator Clinton, or 2008 candidate Clinton ? I can't think of any.
The electoral college is a problem..

There's so much imho that the GOP has to work with to send her packing.
Will it happen? It ain't gonna be easy...
  #7  
Old 07-30-2016, 08:19 AM
racoonbeast60 racoonbeast60 is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central FL and Northern NH
Age: 66
Posts: 728
I never saw the value in digging for all the reasons that I might lose before I entered any contest. This is a very important election, and I think that it might be more valuable to look for all the reasons that we might win, and spend our time and thoughts doing all that we can to make it happen such as making sure that at least five like-minded people who probably wouldn't vote for reasons such as laziness or apathy, do get off the couch and vote. If each one of us did just that little thing, then our side would win in a slam-dunk. If we keep spreading stuff like this, we are just encouraging these people to spend the day on the couch. You should stop and think. Maybe the OP is a closet Democrat and posts this crap for just that reason.

Please do no buy in to all of this negative thinking. Help your fellow Republicans make this happen. If for no other reason, do it for the free beer.
__________________
NRA Life Member
  #8  
Old 07-30-2016, 08:28 AM
HT77 HT77 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 7,799
A lot of strawmen and some false assumptions in the OP. What it boils down to is can Trump realign the parties in such a way as to turn some Blue and Purple states to Red and has the Democrat Party gone so far Left with race and identity politics that white Democrat voters have had enough? Although blacks and Hispanics vote overwhelmingly Democrat, whites are still the majority race and if they vote more as a block for the GOP like other races do for the Democrats, Trump can and will win.
  #9  
Old 07-30-2016, 08:30 AM
Grizz12 Grizz12 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Alaska
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by racoonbeast60 View Post
I never saw the value in digging for all the reasons that I might lose before I entered any contest. This is a very important election, and I think that it might be more valuable to look for all the reasons that we might win, and spend our time and thoughts doing all that we can to make it happen such as making sure that at least five like-minded people who probably wouldn't vote for reasons such as laziness or apathy, do get off the couch and vote. If each one of us did just that little thing, then our side would win in a slam-dunk. If we keep spreading stuff like this, we are just encouraging these people to spend the day on the couch. You should stop and think. Maybe the OP is a closet Democrat and posts this crap for just that reason.

Please do no buy in to all of this negative thinking. Help your fellow Republicans make this happen. If for no other reason, do it for the free beer.
I agree. Stop whining and get something done
  #10  
Old 07-30-2016, 09:15 AM
sawgunner04 sawgunner04 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 797
Some people, not all, vote with their wallet. I know the mom and dad swiping their EBT card while talking on the latest smartphone sure do. Cant lose that income, can we now! Most people don't care about the past. History often repeats itself. It isn't what have you done (emails, Benghazi, etc,) , its what are you going to do for me now that gets the vote.
  #11  
Old 07-30-2016, 09:20 AM
SamlautRanger SamlautRanger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cambodia/South East Asia, and Indiana
Posts: 4,989
^Yep, pretty much. Whether those on welfare, those working in Unions, those with Govt. contorted job, those at factories supporting the military industrial complex, farmers, etc. are going to vote first and foremost with what will benefit them financially. Most people could care less about ethics, the environment, morals, values, international affairs -it comes down to one's livelihood i.e. pocket book.
  #12  
Old 07-30-2016, 09:21 AM
The War Wagon The War Wagon is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: da' 'BURGH
Age: 52
Posts: 2,555
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevCain777 View Post
First, my caveat. All my adult life I have been a conservative Republican and strong 2A advocate. And I will be so until I die.

Nope.



Go canoodle with Hitlery somewhere ELSE.
  #13  
Old 07-30-2016, 09:24 AM
SamlautRanger SamlautRanger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cambodia/South East Asia, and Indiana
Posts: 4,989
^Huh, trolling? No, revcain777 is just stating some observations he has. Just cause someone does not agree with you, or painting the optimistic picture you desire and wish for - and stating some reality, does not mean they are trolling. It is called having a discussion. You be a staunch conservative, yet still see the writing on the wall. Sigh.
  #14  
Old 07-30-2016, 10:00 AM
The War Wagon The War Wagon is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: da' 'BURGH
Age: 52
Posts: 2,555
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamlautRanger View Post
^Huh, trolling? No, revcain777 is just stating some observations he has. Just cause someone does not agree with you, or painting the optimistic picture you desire and wish for - and stating some reality, does not mean they are trolling. It is called having a discussion. You be a staunch conservative, yet still see the writing on the wall. Sigh.

Who NEEDS his pessimism? What purpose does THAT serve? He'd be better off changing his handle to "RevJeremiahWright666" - it would be more accurate. And I call 'em like I see 'em.
  #15  
Old 07-30-2016, 10:11 AM
JK-linux JK-linux is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: The North Star State
Posts: 874
If you want to win the election, steal a page from the Democrat playbook... Spend time registering voters; drive old and disabled and disenfranchised to vote, and chat with them about how your conservative candidate will benefit them with their concerns directly. Spend some time with recent grads making $8 an hour and $70k in college debt and convince them in non-amorphous ways that the Republican Party has their 6. This is how you grow the party, and this is where we will continue to leave money on the table and lose easy electoral contests due to simple math.
__________________
NRA Life Endowment Member
  #16  
Old 07-30-2016, 10:11 AM
HT77 HT77 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 7,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by The War Wagon View Post
Who NEEDS his pessimism? What purpose does THAT serve? He'd be better off changing his handle to "RevJeremiahWright666" - it would be more accurate. And I call 'em like I see 'em.
I suspected in one of his posts last week that he might be engaged in a little bit of trolling but the jury is still out for me.
  #17  
Old 07-30-2016, 10:13 AM
HT77 HT77 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 7,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by JK-linux View Post
If you want to win the election, steal a page from the Democrat playbook... Spend time registering voters; drive old and disabled and disenfranchised to vote, and chat with them about how your conservative candidate will benefit them with their concerns directly. Spend some time with recent grads making $8 an hour and $70k in college debt and convince them in non-amorphous ways that the Republican Party has their 6. This is how you grow the party, and this is where we will continue to leave money on the table and lose easy electoral contests due to simple math.
That's the tough part with activities like this. Most Republicans actually work, have families and other responsibilities making it hard to spend as much time as Democrat freeloaders doing those things.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:51 PM.


NOTICE TO USERS OF THIS SITE: By continuing to use this site, you certify that you have read and agree to abide by the Legal Terms of Use. All information, data, text or other materials ("Content") posted to this site by any users are the sole responsibility of those users. 1911Forum does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of such Content.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2015 1911Forum.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved