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Old 11-11-2019, 04:23 PM
Fishman33 Fishman33 is offline
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9mm opinions Range Only

I am looking for a full size 9mm for the range with the possibility of maybe trying IDPA one day. My practice is at a private range out to 50 yards.

I have and shoot 2 1911's - both in .45. Previously I have owned Glock in .40 and a Fn Herstal Hi Power 9mm.

I want a 50 yard accurate 9mm with adjustable sights. I have looked at the Sig 320 x five legion and I am eyeballing a Wesson PM 9.

Are there any non 1911 style 9mm that offer the same or better mechanical accuracy and recoil reduction of the 1911? I don't see much on the Sig other than puff pieces. How about the 226?

If not if there are any competitors to the pm9 in the same price range I would be interested. I do like the Colt series 70 gold cup national match in 9mm but for nearly equal money I believe the PM9 is a better built gun.
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Old 11-11-2019, 04:31 PM
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SIG used to offer the P226 based X Five, though I believe their only version now is the P320 variety.

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com...pistol-family/

Beretta has the 92X Performance coming soon. http://www.beretta.com/en-us/92x-performance/

CZ has a bunch of options https://cz-usa.com/product-category/...tion-handguns/

Similar is the EAA guns https://eaacorp.com

For 1911's Les Baer offer's some 9mm models and an accuracy guarantee on some of them https://www.lesbaer.com/Premier5.html

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Old 11-11-2019, 04:41 PM
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I forgot about the Dan Wesson DWX that is also coming soon https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:01 PM
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I think both Colt & Kimber offer 1911s with adjustable sights in 9mm.
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:11 PM
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Springfield makes a Range Officer target model in 9mm
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:27 PM
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The Pardini GT9 is a phenomenal range-only 9mm. Likely not suitable for IDPA, though.
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:33 PM
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SA Loaded...
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:37 PM
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I want a 50 yard accurate 9mm with adjustable sights.
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SA Loaded...
Is the Springfield Armory Loaded available in 9mm and adjustable sights?
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Old 11-11-2019, 06:07 PM
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I'm tweaking a 9mm Range Officer to see what it's gonna be capable of.

Changing front sight to fiber optic, adding magwell and putting on a set of VZ Operator II's.

Should be a grippy gun that I'll shoot better.



If I was going to be looking into a non-1911 for gaming.....then the CZ Shadow 2 Orange would be one I'd be huge interested in.


If you are thinking about carrying it, too.....one of the Wilson Combat Beretta 92G Brigadiers would be on the radar, too.
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Old 11-11-2019, 06:27 PM
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Is the Springfield Armory Loaded available in 9mm and adjustable sights?
Yep...the rear is adjustable, front fixed. I swapped out the front for a Dawson FO for my old eyes....

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Great gun, about 8 thousand down the pipe...not one issue. I do use Wilson mags though. Easier to load for me...
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Old 11-11-2019, 06:55 PM
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Yep...the rear is adjustable, front fixed. I swapped out the front for a Dawson FO for my old eyes....

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Great gun, about 8 thousand down the pipe...not one issue. I do use Wilson mags though. Easier to load for me...
I got the impression the OP was looking for an adjustable sight - height and windage - such as the sight used on the Range Officer Elite Target.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/p...te-target-9mm/

Rather than the Loaded's "Novak-esque" drift adjustable (most of us call this a fixed) sight.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/p...loaded-45-acp/
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:10 PM
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If you want non 1911 9mm.... accurate out to 50 yds...look at CZ. Nothing else compares. My TSO smokes every high dollar WC, Brown, NHC or Baer that I own....and I own a pile of em.

CZ is the real deal.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:52 PM
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If you are really interested in IDPA, better read the rules and the catalogs.
Neither of the CZs mentioned is allowed, nor is the 92X.

Big plug from Accuracy X, the most accurate shooter at the World is a customer. But they are more expensive.

If you are not, add the Sig P210A. It gets good reviews but at 8x9mm it is not competitive in IDPA.

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Old 11-11-2019, 07:55 PM
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Hi-point all the way if you are doing any competition. At the price point you can have a few spares in case of failure.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:04 PM
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Dan Wesson PM9.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:47 PM
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I don't compete,so don't know what is allowed in IDPA. But I have owned several Gold Cups, P210s and two PM9s. My Gold Cups were all .45, but the PM9's fit of barrel/slide/frame was superior. I only had one of the several Gold Cups that was as accurate as the best of the two PM9s. In the same price range, the SIG P210A Jim Watson mentions is plenty accurate and reliable, but only has the 8-round magazines. My Springfield Loaded Target 9MM was neither accurate nor reliable as received, but mine was probably the exception as others have reported better results with their examples...
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:05 PM
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I got the impression the OP was looking for an adjustable sight - height and windage - such as the sight used on the Range Officer Elite Target.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/p...te-target-9mm/

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Old 11-11-2019, 10:33 PM
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If you are looking for other than a 1911 I like the Walther P 99. It has a very good and da sa trigger right out of the box with a 4lb sa trigger and a smooth da for the first shot. You can have your have choice of triggers with the unique as trigger system on it.
I put a large Uncle Mikes rubber sock on the grip, a tungsten rod ( rsa) from Earls Walther Repair service in it ( $ 160), and a tru glo sight on the slide and I was done with customizing.
I think the P 99 is one of the most overlooked polymer pistols and it is a very good one. Check it out.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:00 PM
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I have a SA RO I bought back in 2015 in 9mm. Here with one in 45 ACP I bought in 2014. Both are nice pistols.



In 2017 I bought a Colt GCNM in 9mm. It is under a 45 ACP I bought in 2015. Again a lovely pistol. Again both very nice pistols.



Colt also makes the GCT and Gold Cup Lite in 9mm.
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:42 AM
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Might want to take a look at CZ Custom in Arizona.
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Old 11-12-2019, 04:17 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
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9mm for IDPA

IDPA is a good gun game, however, you do not need NRA Bullseye accuracy to compete. It is very rare to need to shoot at a 50 yard target, and most long distance shots may be 30-35 yards.

A full size 1911 9mm would be only allowed in the ESP division, and can be loaded with 10+1 rounds of 9mm ammo to start.

I have a Master class shooting buddy that competes with his STI 2011 Guardian, which is in the "Compact Carry division" and he wins high overall honors when competing against all pistol divisions on a regular basis. The new 9mm Pistol Caliber Carbine shooters have a competitive advantage against pistols, and IMHO, this is not a concealed carry weapon firearm. A shoulder mounted weapon will always be more steady and faster to shoot in 9mm, and since the gun is not holstered, they save at least a second or more by not having to draw from a holster using a concealment garment.

My personal choice for IDPA is a 5" STI 2011 9mm with a green Fiber optic front sight, a Bo-mar style adjustable rear sight, and I use a full length steel guide rod. I built the gun, and used a Kart gunsmith fit W/N ramped bushing barrel. My gun is capable of shooting slightly under a 3" 5-shot group from a rest at 50 yards which is not top bullseye accuracy, but plenty accurate for IDPA. The polymer grip on the STI 2011 guns saves weight, and I have never had an issue when the gun is weighed with an empty mag at a big match. The STI 2011 grip is about 1/4" greater in circumference than a standard steel 1911 using wooden grips, but the wide double stack magazine design helps for making very fast reloads with the STI 2011 tapered mags. I also believe than an STI 2011 may have better resale value. STI 2011 guns are not cheap, but they are great guns! You may visit their website at www.stiguns.com If you would like to compete with a more compact weapon, the new STI 2011 Staccato P 9mm which has a 4" slide with a full dust cover frame would be a great concealed carry weapon and a very good IDPA gun....and would allow very fast draws from concealment.....the suggested retail of this gun is right at $2,000, but because it is a recently released new pistol, it is commanding a premium price and I have never seen a used Staccato P for sale...…

STI 2011 guns are widely used in IDPA, USPSA, and Steel Challenge gun games by many of the top civilian and professional shooters in the nation.....

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Old 11-12-2019, 04:47 AM
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I have a Kimber with adjustables in 9mm. Accurate, no problems.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:56 AM
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Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm and change out the rear sight. Minimal cost compared to your other choices and a fantastic IDPA tool.
I have a P320 X-Carry with Red dot, multiple 1911ís including the SA Loaded and many other guns.

The M&P is my go to for IDPA. Always reliable, always accurate, an yet you least expensive alternative.


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Old 11-12-2019, 11:57 PM
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I got a Springfield armory 1911 full size Range Officer because I got tired of waiting for Ruger to do a full size 1911 in 9mm which they eventually did. Buying today, that's what I'd get.

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Old 11-13-2019, 12:01 AM
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Springfield makes a Range Officer target model in 9mm
I found mine surprisingly rough around the edges quality wise. If the Ruger full size 1911 9mm is anything like their. 45acp model 6700, I would go there.

Here it is....I'd love to pick up one of these but I'd need a buyer for my Springfield first:

https://ruger.com/products/sr1911Tar...eets/6759.html

744 cash price at buds


https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...ucts_id/100065

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