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Old 11-12-2019, 03:34 PM
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The Remington engineers in 1950 got the 870 exactly right.
Of the post-war pump shotgun designs the 870 was the best of them all.

Most makers understood that they could no longer profitably make an all steel pump gun so they started using "Space Age" aluminum and plastics.
These largely failed to stand up in hard use.

Remington still owns the law enforcement shotgun market by around 95%, which even Glock can't quite match.
Of the post war guns the 870 is the one that can stand up to the abusive treatment a police shotgun gets, especially in the night watch version of "Hold my beer and watch this".

Super heavy clay bird shooters say the aluminum receiver pumps typically start breaking internal parts, especially the one's with plastic internal parts within the 5,000 to 8,000 round range or sooner, and usually develop cracks in the receiver within the 50,000 to 70,000 round range.

They say that the 870 will usually develop cracks around the ejection port of the steel receiver around the 250,000 range. That's a quarter of a million rounds.
Internals seldom break.

Only the old pre-war all steel "Tank" models made by most makers could equal the 870.
Remington built a post-war gun that didn't use all forged steel parts, but they used a forged steel receiver and very heavy duty fabricated parts.
Most makers tried to save money by using cast aluminum receivers and stamped internals.

In police use the post-1964 Winchester Model 1200 and 1300 failed and soured law enforcement on Winchester forever, after they'd owned the market with the 1897 and Model 12 guns.
Winchester was never again used by any major agency.
The Mossberg 500 was tried by a few agencies and also failed.
Mossberg was only able to get a foot in the door by greatly beefing up the 500 to the 590 series.

Word I have from shooters and law enforcement is that after being sold, Remington is getting the 870 quality back up to standard.
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