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DPS1911A1 02-14-2020 09:45 AM

How much should you spend on an EDC...
 
I used to work at a large independent gun store in Texas. They will buy good used guns or take them on trade.

One trade they took was a stainless Colt 1911. According to the owner the pistol was involved in a shooting. The police took the pistol as evidence and crudely engraved a case number on the frame.

It was a few years before the owner was able to gain possession of his property. He didn't get the gun back in the same condition that it was when the police took it for evidence. Plus the 1911 had too many bad memories for him so he sold it.

That got me to thinking about how much we spend for an EDC. We want the best we can afford. We don't give any thought what would happen to our prized handgun if it has to be taken into evidence should we have to defend ourselves.

A friend of mine did a stupid thing and was arrested for DWI. Naturally his carry permit came up for review due to the arrest but they confiscated his pistol. They couldn't leave it in the car because it was towed.

This was over a year and a half a go and he still doesn't have it back.

I bought a Tisas 1911 that I wouldn't lose any sleep over if I were involved in a self defense shooting and the police took it for evidence. I paid less than $400 for it. That an a SA XDs 9.

Austin_TX 02-14-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DPS1911A1 (Post 13067672)
We don't give any thought what would happen to our prized handgun if it has to be taken into evidence should we have to defend ourselves.

On the contrary. Judging by the forums I visit, I think a lot of people worry about this too much.

wccountryboy 02-14-2020 09:58 AM

I don't really spend much tine thinking about the "what ifs" of being involved in a defensive shooting....
That said, I don't cayy $5k custom 1911s either- in fairness, because I don't have any. Regardless, my ~$1k 1911s all function flawlessly, and are adequate to the task. Even if ai had a high end 1911, there's little need to carry it...

havanajim 02-14-2020 10:03 AM

I can't see using an uber-expensive gun for defense anyway. But then again, with very few exceptions, I don't tend to view firearms as 'tools'. In my view, edc gun are expendables, therefore, by definition, that eliminates all of the high-end stuff. There are many extremely reliable and effective models at and under $500 - particulalrly the disposable, plastic stuff. For me, everything north of that price range stays in the safe - as opposed to carried daily.

But, to each their own.... and all that jazz!!! :) :) :)

jtq 02-14-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DPS1911A1 (Post 13067672)
A friend of mine did a stupid thing and was arrested for DWI. Naturally his carry permit came up for review due to the arrest but they confiscated his pistol. They couldn't leave it in the car because it was towed.

Lets say he was driving an Aston Martin DB11 and carrying a Wilson Combat SuperGrade at the time of his arrest.

Which do you think he'd be more concerned about getting back unscathed?

It's all a matter of perspective.

RickB 02-14-2020 10:06 AM

If you are involved in a shooting, it's probably going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars to be cleared, even if it was "a good shoot", so I'm not going to lose any sleep over the $700 I spent on my EDC.

DPS1911A1 02-14-2020 10:17 AM

True, there will be bigger things to worry about. The other guns I have are range guns. The Tisas 1911 was very inexpensive which is why I decided to get one for EDC. My O1970A1CS was my EDC and I paid close to $900 so that's retired to the safe. In the EDC rotation was the S&W 586, FN Hi-Power Israeli surplus. Both are not that easy to find in decent condition.

The Colt 1911 they bough from the guy retailed at $1600. He took the cash and bought a Taurus G2C for $220. He wasn't about to spend another $1600 for an EDC.

DPS1911A1 02-14-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jtq (Post 13067692)
Lets say he was driving an Aston Martin DB11 and carrying a Wilson Combat SuperGrade at the time of his arrest.

Which do you think he'd be more concerned about getting back unscathed?

It's all a matter of perspective.

You never know. He might have strong feelings for both. I know a guy that drives a $75K truck. He couldn't care what happens to his truck, car or boat. Just leave his guns alone.

jr24 02-14-2020 10:19 AM

I don't worry about it. I've carried every range from $300 to $2000 guns and consider it a non issue. I don't drink and drive, never touch alcohol while carrying or handling a loaded gun and follow laws scrupulously.

If I have to use my CCW (God forbid) in a shooting and I survive and don't end up in jail, even if I don't get my gun back ever I'll consider it money well spent, get an alternative CCW from the safe and move on.

Once it checks out I plan to carry my recently acquired EDC X9 and won't worry about its cost one bit.

Dddrees 02-14-2020 10:23 AM

If I were to be involved in a shooting and still alive and they confiscated my gun the fact I am still alive I would consider that a win.

The guy that drank and drove screwed up.


What was your question again?

Trucker3573 02-14-2020 10:25 AM

Could careless what happened to my edc if used in a defensive shooting. Pretty sure Iíd be more glad I was alive. I would just go buy another gun. They arenít life changing expensive.


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USMM guy 02-14-2020 10:32 AM

This is the long and the short of it right here.
 
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Could careless what happened to my edc if used in a defensive shooting. Pretty sure Iíd be more glad I was alive. I would just go buy another gun. They arenít life changing expensive.


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Aside from that, different strokes for different folks.

JB6464 02-14-2020 10:38 AM

It isn't so much about how much the gun cost you but rather how much your willing to spend for a reliable gun that won't fail you when SHTF and you need it to stay alive.

WaterDR 02-14-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by USMM guy (Post 13067738)
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Originally Posted by Trucker3573 (Post 13067734)
Could careless what happened to my edc if used in a defensive shooting. Pretty sure I’d be more glad I was alive. I would just go buy another gun. They aren’t life changing expensive.


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Aside from that, different strokes for different folks.

Agreed.

Striker2237 02-14-2020 10:46 AM

Any gun I carry is a tool, mines hit concrete, been scratched to hell, refinished three time, and works every time and is the fastest, most reliable, most effective in objective measurement weapon I can have for the role requirements.

I don't even think about and never have, if it gets engraved crudely I'll just have it refinished again as I have before or just have a new gun made if i feel like keeping it as is.

Kevin Rohrer 02-14-2020 10:49 AM

I spend as much as I think is reasonable while getting a handgun that does what I want it and is not something I would be embarrassed to show others. The lower end of that price range seems to be $2k, while the upper is <$4k.

Striker2237 02-14-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JB6464 (Post 13067740)
It isn't so much about how much the gun cost you but rather how much your willing to spend for a reliable gun that won't fail you when SHTF and you need it to stay alive.

Unbox, lube, check function
1000 rounds ball one session
Three days
300 rounds of the carry load one session
Three days
300-500 rounds of steel case

If a gun passes that I consider the gun good to use, no gun is carried that doesn't pass that above test without any hint of malfunction or total insensitively to grip type and I have had guns break during that test or fail due to being able to be limp wristed. I'm more lenient with rifles since they generally work or they don't, a gun can be $195 and if it passes that it's good to go or it can be $5700 like my NHC and fail it 4 times and be considered unreliable. Cost doesn't matter, function does and usually there is a easily measurable correlation in performance vs cost of you want to keep reliability 100%. You can get a Glock to kinda keep up with a 1911 but it will be ammo sensitive and have other small errors......I still haven't figured out a way to get one as fast while maintaining reliability.

shooter59 02-14-2020 11:09 AM

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Yeah.....not really.

While your personal test for reliability is commendable, it’s not the final word.

A good number of rounds should be run through any gun being considered for carry revolver or pistol, but there are many variables that come into play other than round count.

Additionally, I stay away (after extensive experience) from saying ‘ this is better than that’. There are no real absolutes with regard to what is made, and proven to be reliable.

Back to the original question......carry the gun YOU feel is the very best for YOU. Worrying about what might happen to it later is pretty much a waste of energy.

RandyP 02-14-2020 11:12 AM

Isn't it great to live in a Country where in 'most' States you can carry pretty much whatever you choose?

EVERY firearm I own has the same level of 'sentiment' or emotional attachment to me as I ascribe to my ball peen hammer or hacksaw. Were I ever to consider any possession 'too special' to use for its intended purchase, I'd sell it off or have my sanity checked - lol

As to those who feel the need to expend huge (to ME) quantities of ammo before they 'trust' a firearm? I'd note the disclaimer on every investment ad I've seen or read - "Past performance is NO guarantee of future results."

But hey, YOU only gotta keep YOU happy. Who cares what I think? Heckfire, I barely do. LOL

LimaCharlie 02-14-2020 11:17 AM

I worried so much about my government model 1911 EDC being confiscated that I bought a second one. I am now up to twelve government model 1911s just in case. Am I safe?

Striker2237 02-14-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shooter59 (Post 13067766)
Yeah.....not really.

While your personal test for reliability is commendable, it’s not the final word.

A good number of rounds should be run through any gun being considered for carry revolver or pistol, but there are many variables that come into play other than round count.

Additionally, I stay away (after extensive experience) from saying those is better than that’. It’s just simply not true.

Your comment that reliability is immune to price is pretty good, generally speaking. There are no real absolutes with regard to what is made, and proven to be reliable.

Back to the original question......carry the gun YOU feel is the very best for YOU. Worrying about what might happen to it later is pretty much a waste of energy.

Timers do not lie, some guns are just better than others unilaterally even in the hands of multiple people.

havanajim 02-14-2020 11:33 AM

Beware of putting too much emphasis on a timer. Everything in life is a balance.

wccountryboy 02-14-2020 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shooter59 (Post 13067766)
Yeah.....not really.

While your personal test for reliability is commendable, itís not the final word.

A good number of rounds should be run through any gun being considered for carry revolver or pistol, but there are many variables that come into play other than round count.

I tend to agree... while it would be nice if one uad the time and means to burn up $1000 tk "validate" a gun as carry worthy, its simply not viable for most.
If one can get a few hundred rounds of factory ball, and 100 or so of carry ammunition, that's a bit more feasible for those of average means...

shooter59 02-14-2020 11:35 AM

You’re very concerned with pure speed.....

That’s fine, usually doesn’t hurt. But I could show two documented instances where obsession with speed in training, did in fact ‘hurt’.

Speed is but one leg of the trifecta required to end things as much in your favor as possible. Speed for speed sake is great and fun, but as I’ve said before.....RARELY the deciding factor in gunfights.

I started seriously shooting with speed as a component in the early days of IPSC. Then into USPSA, then/ additionally IDPA. I carried a professionally for just over 40 years.

I’ll never knock speed, but it’s a component that generally gives you a bit of luxury in certain areas when the targets have guns as well.

We tend to want to transfer many of our ‘range goodies’ to situations when we carry. Some transfer well, others not so much.

Bottom line is there are some fight hardened folks walking the planet, many of them aren’t the fastest on the range, with the coolest gear. Reminder, I like fast, and I love cool gear. Was lucky enough to be sponsored for quite a few years.

But all’s well until the bullets or barstools start flying.......then ‘holding your mud’ comes into play in a big way.

markm 02-14-2020 12:01 PM

I'll only carry a really good gun, not a nice gun. Really good guns can be had for under a thousand.


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