1911Forum

1911Forum (https://forums.1911forum.com/index.php)
-   Ruger (https://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=74)
-   -   Ruger Custom shop (https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=976434)

talley1911 10-12-2018 08:04 PM

Ruger Custom shop
 
1 Attachment(s)
Just got an email from Ruger stating they will have a Custom Shop. Should be some interesting offerings coming from them.

KiaTia 10-13-2018 07:52 AM

They have my attention also like to get one of these in hand and compare it to some other custom brands.

hatchettg 10-13-2018 11:22 AM

The MSRP on that pistol is $2499.00. Unless dealers sell it for substantially below that, it will likely struggle in the market. From the pictures, it appears this model uses the standard mim grip and thumb safeties, and the grip safety looks to have been dropped in. Though this model includes high grade trigger components, front strap checkering, and a mag well, I don’t understand how it retails for more than double a SR target model.

At $2500, one could easily buy a Les Bear or Dan Wesson and almost an Ed Brown.

drail 10-13-2018 11:39 AM

$2499 for a Ruger? BWAHAHAHA!

Wilsonedbrown 10-13-2018 01:44 PM

2500$ for a Ruger lmao. From the pic doesn’t look to be to impressive on the fitting end or attention to detail. 2500 puts you in Ed Brown territory and I’m sorry but Ruger can’t come close to Ed brown idc who’s name is on the slide.

KiaTia 10-13-2018 02:37 PM

I agree with you guys but if you view Ruger's video it does say the frame, slide and barrel are hand fitted.

Wilsonedbrown 10-13-2018 02:51 PM

The grip saftey and TS sure aren’t for 2500 they should be and not mim either.

hatchettg 10-13-2018 06:42 PM

In addition to being overpriced for the features, I wonder how many people will be willing to spend that kind of money for the Ruger brand. Ruger is well known for its affordable firearms and is commonly referred to as a working man’s gun. $2000+ is a lot to pay for a pistol from a lower cost manufacture. Here is an analogy: Honda makes excellent cars but how many people would pay $60,000 for a super nice one?

Colt Carson 10-15-2018 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatchettg (Post 12638226)
Here is an analogy: Honda makes excellent cars but how many people would pay $60,000 for a super nice one?

I agree that the price for the Ruger mentioned above is too high, but in response to your analogy... the Acura (Honda) NSX which is $60,000 X 2 plus some more for the 2018 model.

hatchettg 10-15-2018 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt Carson (Post 12639248)
I agree that the price for the Ruger mentioned above is too high, but in response to your analogy... the Acura (Honda) NSX which is $60,000 X 2 plus some more for the 2018 model.

Yes, but it is branded an Acura not a Honda. I am guessing that 1911 owners who spend more than $2000 on a pistol want it to be a higher-end brand. Nothing against Ruger, they make good guns, but they are a “lower status” manufacturer. When people spend thousands on a 1911, status usually matters.

Colt Carson 10-15-2018 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatchettg (Post 12639254)
Yes, but is is branded an Acura not a Honda. I am guessing that 1911 owners who spend more than $2000 on a pistol want it to be a higher-end brand. Nothing against Ruger, they make good guns, but they are a “lower status” manufacturer. When people spend thousands on a 1911, status usually matters.

Agreed, but maybe Ruger doesn’t intend to sell many of these expensive 1911s, but instead is using them to nudge the brand a notch up the status ladder. That is my guess for what it’s worth.

old doc 10-15-2018 09:54 PM

For me, it's hard enough to rationalize buying a 1911 with RUGER stamped on the slide without them pricing one in Ed Brown teŕritory. I'm gonna pass and I suspect so will more than a few others.

Plantar5 10-16-2018 06:17 AM

Not my cup of tea either. If they're going to play in the semi custom/ custom 1911 price point market, I think they're going to have a tough time. There's many others to consider.

wproct 10-16-2018 08:41 AM

I would not be interested for the reasons already stated by previous posters, plus, I'm not a fan of the polished stainless steel flats and black frame and controls as shown.

andrew1220 10-16-2018 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wproct (Post 12639882)
I would not be interested for the reasons already stated by previous posters, plus, I'm not a fan of the polished stainless steel flats and black frame and controls as shown.

Same.

I fondled one on Saturday at the Ruger New Hampshire IDPA championship match. The Ruger rep told me the average shop price will be around $1,800. It felt and looked great. Trigger was decent - prob 4ish pounds.

My Dan Wesson PM9 cost me like $1300ish back in 2015, no way in hell I'd spend $500 more for a Ruger. Granted the PM9 doesn't come with a magwell but that is short money.

And does anyone know if this is a cast frame like the rest of their 1911's?? I don't know how they think they can justify that price with a cast frame. Hell even if it was forged, I still wouldn't pay $1,800.

If they don't drop the price, they're really going to struggle selling these.

dakota1911 10-16-2018 04:14 PM

I think there are folks at Ruger who are very into the 1911 platform and for me that is a good thing. I am sort of amazed the variants which Ruger has come out with in recent years.

I am not going to run out and buy one but it is very interesting news.

Magnumite 10-18-2018 08:17 PM

I am a Ruger fan but not a blind follower. That gun needs work even in the $1800 class. Some good work but that is offset by the standard production characteristics carried over to it. I wonder if these guns will have flats cut on the thumb safety and slide stop pins? I am still trying to wrap my head around that. I understand...fitting but really...

jjfitch 10-19-2018 10:25 AM

Didn't know Doug Koenig left S&W for Ruger!

His "DK" Custom and Por Series Smiths are awesome!

People who buy Rugers will buy the DK Custom Ruger too! Otherwise Ruger's Marketing gurus wouldn't bring them to market. (Bottom line driven marketing planning!)

C6v1999 11-12-2018 09:10 PM

I handled one of these at the local gun store today. The trigger was amazing and had to be in the 3 lb range; nicer than my Dan Wesson PM9. The frame and grip safety controls were typical Ruger though. The fit of those parts were what turned me off on a pistol stickered at $2400.

Magnumite 11-13-2018 07:23 AM

That type of fitting on a $2400 pistol is an abomination! An abomination! LOL...I hope they get it right. How was the slide/frame and barrel fit on the handled specimens?

C6v1999 11-13-2018 03:12 PM

The slide fit was nice ... no issues and the action parts were just superb. I cannot get past the low rent ambi-safety and fitment gaps of the grip safety at this cost. I can see me getting one if these end up being heavily discounted in the future.

Herbert Cannon 11-30-2018 07:53 PM

I think this pistol may find a slot in the market. Today's customs are running in almost $4,000 class. Les Baer still has a few a tad under $3,000 but not most. The least expensive is $3,000 plus and if you ask for anything on them the cost ballons real fast to $3500 +. Add taxes and you are paying a lot. So a semi custom at that price is not bad and Ruger makes one tough pistol. Discount it a bit and it is in like flyn.

Magnumite 11-30-2018 09:34 PM

That is from the Brown, Wilson, Baer, Nighthawk, etc shops. Go to a world class custom builder and you are looking at $6500 and up for a full house custom.

Herbert Cannon 11-30-2018 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnumite (Post 12674472)
That is from the Brown, Wilson, Baer, Nighthawk, etc shops. Go to a world class custom builder and you are looking at $6500 and up for a full house custom.

No argument from me. What I look for is a pistol that goes bang. I dont believe I could bring myself to $6500 for a custom 1911. That is a safe queen.

JayhawkNavy02 12-01-2018 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew1220 (Post 12639954)
And does anyone know if this is a cast frame like the rest of their 1911's?? I don't know how they think they can justify that price with a cast frame. Hell even if it was forged, I still wouldn't pay $1,800.

In no way a fan of Ruger’s offering, but worth mentioning Caspian frames are cast.

Magnumite 12-01-2018 08:14 AM

It is cast. Same castings blanks Caspian uses for their frame.

Herbert Cannon 12-01-2018 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayhawkNavy02 (Post 12674588)
In no way a fan of Ruger’s offering, but worth mentioned Caspian frames are cast.

Interesting. I wonder about STI frames.
I think the Ruger has some hand work but not on a par with the custom manufacturers or the so called individual gunsmiths producing works at $6,500. Usually you get what you pay for; but look what a durable, dependable, reliable, simple Glock sells for and the fact it last for a huge number of rounds; and you have wonder why you spend $6,500 for something that goes bang just like a Glock does and probably last longer.
I have never seen this Ruger but maybe I could become a fan considering the work and price.

JayhawkNavy02 12-01-2018 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbert Cannon (Post 12674802)
Usually you get what you pay for; but look what a durable, dependable, reliable, simple Glock sells for and the fact it last for a huge number of rounds; and you have wonder why you spend $6,500 for something that goes bang just like a Glock does and probably last longer.
I have never seen this Ruger but maybe I could become a fan considering the work and price.

For a combat firearm, bang for the buck it’s hard to beat a Gen 5 Glock, agreed.

However, while I think $6,500 is excessive I’ve paid for many full customs for precision pistol and the articles below explain why.

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/cstomgun.htm

https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/...ster-gunsmith/

passx 12-02-2018 10:22 AM

I would like to handle one and take a good look at things in person. Also since they are advertising this as an out of the box, ready for competition piece what kind of ccuracy they are advertising.

I had all this “ready for competition” bluster on my SA, SS, 9mm RO and can tell you that if you were intent on just blowing some rounds downrange and losing it was the gun for that, a couple of trips back to SA, one to SACs and some additional work by me and the gun is decent enough (could have bought a DW PM9 for less). The point here being is the Ruger actually good enough to compete or just marketing bluster.

As a side note I have multiple Rugers and they all just run and run well, no complaints and all are really more accurate than the shooter but all combined I don’t have $2500 in the lot. My .02

One thing i’ll add is that this kinda reminds me of my Sig STX that I bought from their pro shop with the Sig Custom Shop label on it and claimed hand fitting as well as Premium materials (whatever that means) the Sig is a very nice well fitted piece, way more accurate than I am. Great gun ! And only $1000 OTD. I’ll also add in my p210 target that’s also supposedly been through the Sig custom shop, very fine gun and probably the smoothest action i’ve Experienced (including my ed Brown 9mm executive) short of a ACW/Cabot, all in at $1300 OTD. Ruger’s got their work cut out for them, I hope in a year we’ll all be standing in line to get one but....Again just my .02

drail 12-02-2018 01:38 PM

Yup. Need to tear it completely down under a strong lamp. I have no problem with cast frames if Ruger is casting them. Their casting plants are making aerospace parts and landing gear assemblies. They really are "rocket scientists".

Magnumite 12-02-2018 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbert Cannon (Post 12674802)
Interesting. I wonder about STI frames.
I think the Ruger has some hand work but not on a par with the custom manufacturers or the so called individual gunsmiths producing works at $6,500. Usually you get what you pay for; but look what a durable, dependable, reliable, simple Glock sells for and the fact it last for a huge number of rounds; and you have wonder why you spend $6,500 for something that goes bang just like a Glock does and probably last longer.
I have never seen this Ruger but maybe I could become a fan considering the work and price.

A $2500, $3500, $4500 or a $6500 1911 is like a good trigger or a cue stick which hits softer than others. You won't know it until you experience it.

I own a Glock...it is does not compare to a well buit 1911. Not even close.

dakota1911 12-04-2018 10:39 AM

The December "Guns&Ammo" has an article on these and a bit about the Ruger Custom Shop.

M-Peltier 01-06-2019 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by passx (Post 12675622)
I would like to handle one and take a good look at things in person. Also since they are advertising this as an out of the box, ready for competition piece what kind of accuracy they are advertising.

Thats a beef I have with anything Ruger that's advertised as a Precision, or Target anything. They have no accuracy guarantee. Too often I and others have been let down by the lack of accuracy and Ruger just takes the position it meets their standards. A $500.00 gun Im willing to take a chance, $1,800.00 +...no way.

wc145 01-06-2019 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbert Cannon (Post 12674420)
I think this pistol may find a slot in the market. Today's customs are running in almost $4,000 class. Les Baer still has a few a tad under $3,000 but not most. The least expensive is $3,000 plus and if you ask for anything on them the cost balloons real fast to $3500 +. Add taxes and you are paying a lot. So a semi custom at that price is not bad and Ruger makes one tough pistol. Discount it a bit and it is in like flynn.

1911 Heaven has 5 brand new Baers listed under $2k, and another 5 just over that mark on their site right now, and the most expensive one is $2900.https://cj1911heaven.com/LesBaerInventory.html

I ordered a new Hemi from CJ less than a year ago spec'd the way I wanted it and it was $2325. With prices like that on new Baers, why even consider a $2500 Ruger? Hell, my new $800 Colt Competition is better fit than that thing. I have nothing against Ruger, I own several including a new .308 Precision Rifle I bought last month, but I only paid $799 for it.

Ruger needs to stick with what they do best - solid quality, no frills guns at reasonable price points.

jimjones1911 01-06-2019 12:11 PM

I paid just over 1400 after shipping and transfer fee for my DW Silverback 10mm brand new. Not a custom, I know, but has the same cosmetic features as the gun pictured.
I don't see this going well for Ruger when you see what else your $$$ gets you.

juleslewis 01-09-2019 10:26 AM

I paid a lot less than $2500 for my Koenig Ruger and it feels as good as, and shoots as good as, the Wilson Combat CQB that I paid a $1000 more for. As for Les Baer, I agree my Premier II is a real bargain when compared to other high-grade 1911's.

jimjones1911 01-12-2019 10:37 AM

Quote:

I paid just over 1400 after shipping and transfer fee for my DW Silverback 10mm brand new.
Correction. Just over $1500.
:dope:

BRoger 01-12-2019 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juleslewis (Post 12707894)
I paid a lot less than $2500 for my Koenig Ruger and it feels as good as, and shoots as good as, the Wilson Combat CQB that I paid a $1000 more for. As for Les Baer, I agree my Premier II is a real bargain when compared to other high-grade 1911's.

How's the parts quality, and fitting?

passx 01-12-2019 11:50 AM

When you look at the Prime model from Alchemy i’d Say that for less than $100 difference i’d Be really hard pressed to buy the Ruger over the ACW piece, i’ve Had the fortune to handle the ACW gun’s and can tell you that they are as nice or better than anything i’ve ever handled, pure artwork in my opinion. Rob does give an accuracy garantee by the way.

Ruger is truly jumping into the deep end of the pool, I like the Rugers I have butthere’s absolutely no comparison to anything ACW..... As they say “we’ll see”

Billy1911 01-30-2019 06:25 PM

I think every manufacture that makes 1911's should have a real Custom Shop and a
High end line of 1911 custom pistols . Why not competition is a good thing . 2500.00
for a good hand made well crafted 1911 is in the ball park .

I remember when SACS Professionals were 2500.00 and they were a steal . Alchemy
Customs has a great pistol for 2600.00 that is a knock out 1911


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:57 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2015 1911Forum.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved