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joe 45 03-21-2020 05:11 PM

How Much Better is Super 1050
 
On 2/21/2020 I posted asking opinions on a good progressive reloader. After a lot of input from forum members I ordered a Xl 750. My barn has a 12 x 12 ft above ground tornado shelter in it. I am making it my reloading room. Since it is still too cold to paint the concrete walls I am at an impasse. The dealer in Oklahoma City called me the other day and asked if my room was ready, I told him no and he said he would like to sell the 750 as he had a customer and I was agreeable as he could reorder it next month.

The mayor of Ok. City has since declared a city emergency. I wonít go near Ok. City as my wifeís Pulmonologist is adamant that she must not contract even the ordinary flu. If I get anything and bring it home, it could get serious really fast.

I will order a reloader from Dillon next Tuesday, but with the current ammo shortage, believe it or not, my wife insists I get the best. I was afraid this was coming and stocked up on components so I am good there.

Now the $64,000 question for those forum members who have used a 650/750 and a Super 1050. Is the Super 1050, in your opinion, worth the difference in cost between a pimped out XL750 and a Super 1050.

Tom Freeman 03-21-2020 05:39 PM

1050 or 1100 all the way.

1050s come set up with dies and everything it takes to start loading.

The 650/750 considers all that stuff a-la-carte.

And yes. I practice what I preach.

https://i.imgur.com/fkFHqED.jpg

DubfromGa 03-21-2020 06:01 PM

Is their a new version of of the 1050....the 1100 ???

Wanting to get my bench built & 750 setup...now have some time off work to get it done.

I've been buying dedicated 750 toolheads for the various cartridges that I'm planning on reloading. The toolhead swap seems very easy and even the primer size change looks straightforward.

How easy are the changeovers on the 1100 ?

How expensive are the dedicated toolheads on the 1100 ?

What level of round count are you wanting to crank out every month ?

How many calibers are you wanting to reload for ?



A 750 & 550C is what I chose to cover my needs (.30'06 & .45/70 on the 550c.... .44mag, 10mm, 45acp, 9mm, .38Super on the 750).

If I decide to add .223/5.56 to the mix then I may consider an 1100 for it alone.

Times are crazy. While I feel like we will see ammo & component availability rebound later this year....there is the election to to create uncertainty. Hoping for Trump to win & we can get back to normalcy on components.


Sounds like you'll have a great reloading room. The space has been one of my setbacks. Finally got the spot to put a small bench...now it's just waiting on me to get 'r done. Been spending most of my time off work assisting my wife with her current medical challenges.....which is something that you probably know all about.


Hopefully the folks with real knowledge & experience will come along and get you some info.

Best wishes to you and your family. Stay safe.

DubfromGa 03-21-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Freeman (Post 13099658)
1050 or 1100 all the way.

1050s come set up with dies and everything it takes to start loading.

The 650/750 considers all that stuff a-la-carte.

And yes. I practice what I preach.

https://i.imgur.com/fkFHqED.jpg



Sweet Mercy look at that !!!! :rock: :rock: :rock:

joe 45 03-21-2020 06:18 PM

Dub, I try not to let my eyes linger on Tom Freeman's bench. Makes me feel inadequate. An 1100 is a no go as my wife insists that in the future I be able to load for her 6.5 284.

Capt. Methane 03-21-2020 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joe 45 (Post 13099718)
Dub, I try not to let my eyes linger on Tom Freeman's bench. Makes me feel inadequate. An 1100 is a no go as my wife insists that in the future I be able to load for her 6.5 284.

You might want to get her something that doesn't have quite the reputation of a barrel burner as the Norma though...or is it not as bad as some writers indicate?

joe 45 03-21-2020 07:06 PM

Capt. Methane;

A 6.5 is bad about barrel erosion when benchrest shooters try to put their rounds downrange before the wind changes. Wife's gun was built with a match grade stainless barrel and she usually shoots 20 - 25 rounds in a one hour session. we are in our 70's and both 6.5 284s look to last us until we quit shooting. both guns are several years old, hers has a Kreiger barrel and mine has a 3 groove Lilja.

Jim Watson 03-21-2020 07:11 PM

I can't imagine needing to load 6.5x284 progressive. I load all rifle ammo single stage since I don't do centerfire plinking with large volumes of mediocre ammo.

Back when I was shooting F class, 1200-1400 was thought good. But the Army team took no chances, rebarreling at 850. Not like it was their money.

joe 45 03-21-2020 07:32 PM

Jim,
never said I was going to load 6.5 284 on a progressive. I load on single stage except I bullet seat with an inline die with a hand press. Wife said buy a progressive that will handle a 6.5 284. I have been married 50 yrs. Finally learned not to argue with wife. Might load some 308s and my 40x lets me shoot longer than 2.800. Really won't but it sounds good. Joe

Jim Watson 03-21-2020 07:41 PM

That just leaves me confused but as Jeff Cooper said, you will do as you think best.

I am still mulling over convert or buy to ease production of 9mm vs 550.

joe 45 03-21-2020 07:52 PM

Jim, just to try and clarify. Told wife a s1050 could load 6.5 if I had to. Can't imagine the runout that would cause. she has no clue how I load precision rifle. FWIW, her gun will shoot 3 shot .38 groups at 200 yds. Not many women over 70 can do that. You know how I loaded her rounds.

1911-9mm 03-21-2020 08:25 PM

I've had an xl650 and two 1050's and will NEVER go back to the 650. The 1050's run smoother than the 650 and will load any and all the ammo I need or want.

Love my 1050's.....

Tom Freeman 03-21-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by joe 45 (Post 13099832)
Jim, just to try and clarify. Told wife a s1050 could load 6.5 if I had to. Can't imagine the runout that would cause.

Not as much as you would think.

I load all my long range ammo (600-2200 yards) from 223 Ackley to 338 Lapua on a Dillon 550. I use a prometheus and fx-120 as powder scale/dispensers.

BLACKTAIL 8541 03-21-2020 09:42 PM

Joe 45, the S1050 is a great machine. Dedicated change overs will set you back about $500 per caliber and about 15 to 30 minutes each to accomplish the change overs. That is dependent on how much you clean and lube. A complete service can take up to a couple of hours. I have used mine for both rifle and pistol calibers. The rifle calibers both 7.62x51 and 5.56 are more than accurate enough for general practice ammo and high volume varmint work. But my precision work is still done single stage.

I load a lot of my odd ball or low volume on a RCBS Pro 2000. ( Now discontinued ) The 750 is a better machine in my opinion.
I guess the best answer to your question is how much you are going to reload in a batch and how deep your pockets are.
If you are going to do less than 3k a month I would recommend the 750 as long as you do not have to worry about swagging.

jmorris 03-24-2020 08:54 PM

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Now the $64,000 question for those forum members who have used a 650/750 and a Super 1050. Is the Super 1050, in your opinion, worth the difference in cost between a pimped out XL750 and a Super 1050.
For what?

I have had More than a half dozen 1050’s at one point supers and RL’s they can make a lot of ammo but are not the best for caliber conversions.

I think the 650 has the best primer feed system of all progressives.

The 550 is the only progressive I know of that the case does not ride “ in” the shell plate, rather is just located and removed from the dies by it, while sitting on the platform.

I have all the Dillon’s except the 750 because it takes the good things about the 650 and messes it up with the 550, SD and 1050’s primer feed system as well as a number of other presses, they all have their place.

In other words, if I could “only have one press” (hate the topic), it wouldn’t be a 1050, it can’t even load all the rounds I reload with one; however, they are fantastic for the ones I load a lot of.

joe 45 03-24-2020 10:19 PM

How Much Better is a Super 1050
 
First, let me say Thank You to everyone who answered.

I’m 72 yr old and have finally had a few lessons manage to stay in my head. About 35 yr ago a good friend introduced me to shotgun sports. One of the first lessons he taught me was to never shoot a reload from someone unless I really knew that they were a good safe reloader. His favorite saying was, some people are sloppy careless reloaders. He would go on to say that some people should never be allowed to reload. A policy I have adhered to shooting 3 position and shooting pistols.

If you ask someone for advice and they are qualified to give you advice I think you should pay attention.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

I invite anyone to look back to post # 2. One of the nicest reloading rooms I have ever seen. I thought that the only people who had a Prometheus powder measure had ballistic labs.

Like I said, a picture is worth a thousand words, and read the recommendation that Tom Freeman made.

I have learned to take good advice. I ordered a 1050 today. Set up to load 45 acp and only 45 acp. The mention of 6.5 284 was my attempt at dry humor. I need to quit that stuff. If this run on components lasts, I might be forced to buy the parts to change over to 9mm. I don’t even shoot my 9mm guns right now.

A heartfelt Thank You to Tom Freeman, DubfromGa,1911-9mm, JMorris and BLACKTAIL 8541.

Rwehavinfunyet 03-25-2020 07:09 AM

Dillon 1050 reloading press.....
 
I will be 69 years old this year, but have been shooting competitively with handguns and rifles for over 40 years.....at one time I was shooting roughly 20K rounds of .38 super per year when competing in USPSA events...….

When I started shooting competitively, I purchased the D1050 the first year they were on the market. I already owned a Star machine with Hulme case feeder to load .45acp, and I also had a D550. IMHO, the D1050 is the best hand operated reloading press on the market. When my D1050 is set up with primers, brass in the hopper, and bullets in the tray, I can usually make 100 rounds in roughly 8 minutes. It takes over twice that long to reload .45acp on my Star machine, or any other pistol calibers on my D550.

I only own one D1050, and over the years I have operated the press, the only failure was the case feeder switch, which cost $6.50 to replace from Dillon. I now shoot and reload more 9mm ammo than any other caliber. However, I have extra D1050 tool heads with preset dies and powder measures for .40S&W and .38 super. I slightly modified my existing shell plate to allow the .40 S&W case to work in my existing D1050 shell plate, so to change from 9mm to .40 S&W or .38 super, I only have to swap out the tool head, which takes about 5 minutes. When I reload for my AR-15 rifles, due to the necessary case preparation such as trimming and swaging military case primer pockets, I first resize and decap the brass on my D550, do any necessary case prep work, then reload the cases on my D550 that has .223 Dillon carbide die set. My Dillon powder measure will drop 23 gr. of VV N133 powder with excellent consistency (using the large charge bar) and I am able to get sub-MOA 5-shot group accuracy at 100 yards using a sand bag rest. I still lube the cases to make it easier to resize the .223 brass...… :)

Jim Watson 03-25-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joe 45 (Post 13103378)
I ordered a 1050 today. Set up to load 45 acp and only 45 acp.

I might be forced to buy the parts to change over to 9mm. I donít even shoot my 9mm guns right now.
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Good move. When I upgraded from SDB to S1050, I figured it took me six years to amortize the machine vs cheap commercial, but I almost giggled every time a loaded round fell in the hopper.

I got the Super 1050 because I dithered over the decision right at the time they were going from 1050 to Super 1050.

I am debating swapping calibers to load 9mm on the 1050 and .45 on the 550, more in proportion to my use of the calibers now. The main question is sit vs stand.

jmorris 03-25-2020 06:29 PM

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One of the first lessons he taught me was to never shoot a reload from someone unless I really knew that they were a good safe reloader. His favorite saying was, some people are sloppy careless reloaders. He would go on to say that some people should never be allowed to reload.
Sounds like my kind of fellow.

Enjoy your new press.

RickD427 03-25-2020 06:37 PM

I'm a long-time 550B reloader so I won't offer any comments on the functional differences between the 650 and 1050.

But it is worth nothing that while Dillon offers a "No BS" warranty on the majority of their product line, and has an excellent reputation for standing behind that warranty, you get a "BS" warranty with the 1050/1100.

RickD427 03-25-2020 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by joe 45 (Post 13103378)
I’m 72 yr old and have finally had a few lessons manage to stay in my head. About 35 yr ago a good friend introduced me to shotgun sports. One of the first lessons he taught me was to never shoot a reload from someone unless I really knew that they were a good safe reloader. His favorite saying was, some people are sloppy careless reloaders. He would go on to say that some people should never be allowed to reload. A policy I have adhered to shooting 3 position and shooting pistols.

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Originally Posted by jmorris (Post 13104214)
Sounds like my kind of fellow.

Enjoy your new press.

I can also appreciate Joe's advice.

I became a shooting addict when assigned to a Coast Guard cutter at Base Kodiak in the 70's. We had WWII vintage indoor shooting range which overlooked the base housing complex (and which was later shut down when the backstop was found to be "operationally deficient"). The shooting positions were separated by hanging sheets of 3/4" plywood. I was shooting in the company of a Master Chief and a new fellow. The new guy was shooting a Charter Arms .44 that he had just purchased. The new guy fired his first round with a tremendous explosion. I looked over and saw that his cylinder and top strap were blown apart. I saw a good size chunk of the cylinder embedded in the plywood right next to where I was shooting.

Once the dust settled, the Master Chief asked in a very calm tone "Where did you get those rounds." The new guy said "I loaded them myself." He was pretty clueless and the Master Chief engaged him in dialogue, ultimately learning that he had purchased a reloading press and components, filled a 44 special case to the brim with Bullseye powder and then set the bullet. He had watched others reloading and thought that was all that was involved.

Be careful out there.

Rwehavinfunyet 03-26-2020 04:59 AM

Dillon 1050 warranty....
 
Dillon views their D1050 machines as a commercial grade reloading press, and do not have a full lifetime warranty on the machine like the D550 or D650 and similar models.

However, they are very robust machines, and are built to last...Ö I believe I have reloaded close to 1/2 million rounds of ammo on my D1050 without issue, and my only cost to fix the unit over my years of reloading was a case feeder switch for $6.50..... :)

DubfromGa 03-26-2020 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Freeman (Post 13099906)
Not as much as you would think.

I load all my long range ammo (600-2200 yards) from 223 Ackley to 338 Lapua on a Dillon 550. I use a prometheus and fx-120 as powder scale/dispensers.


That is very reassuring.

Hoping to have some .30'06 load work up taking place soon...maybe next week.... on my 550C.

Shopping around for a chronograph now.



Quote:

Originally Posted by joe 45 (Post 13103378)
First, let me say Thank You to everyone who answered.

Iím 72 yr old and have finally had a few lessons manage to stay in my head. About 35 yr ago a good friend introduced me to shotgun sports. One of the first lessons he taught me was to never shoot a reload from someone unless I really knew that they were a good safe reloader. His favorite saying was, some people are sloppy careless reloaders. He would go on to say that some people should never be allowed to reload. A policy I have adhered to shooting 3 position and shooting pistols.

If you ask someone for advice and they are qualified to give you advice I think you should pay attention.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

I invite anyone to look back to post # 2. One of the nicest reloading rooms I have ever seen. I thought that the only people who had a Prometheus powder measure had ballistic labs.

Like I said, a picture is worth a thousand words, and read the recommendation that Tom Freeman made.

I have learned to take good advice. I ordered a 1050 today. Set up to load 45 acp and only 45 acp. The mention of 6.5 284 was my attempt at dry humor. I need to quit that stuff. If this run on components lasts, I might be forced to buy the parts to change over to 9mm. I donít even shoot my 9mm guns right now.

A heartfelt Thank You to Tom Freeman, DubfromGa,1911-9mm, JMorris and BLACKTAIL 8541.



I'm really looking forward to seeing you get that sweet 1050 up and running. You'll have your very own .45acp ammo factory to enjoy. :)


I'll bet you will be very, very pleased with it.

Tom Freeman 03-26-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RickD427 (Post 13104240)
But it is worth nothing that while Dillon offers a "No BS" warranty on the majority of their product line, and has an excellent reputation for standing behind that warranty, you get a "BS" warranty with the 1050/1100.

I have been loading on 1050s since the mid to late 90s.

I have needed to use their warranty exactly zero times.

I did break one part (lower link arm, machined aluminum) and it was totally my fault for being stupid with an autodrive.

jmorris 03-27-2020 09:03 AM

I have had to replace the plastic primer tube tips but they have yet to charge me for them because it’s the same ones they use on the SD, 550 ‘s I have.

IIRC you swapped yours out with 650 tubes, might be a more permanent solution.


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