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steviesterno 09-23-2018 02:53 PM

Stash gun? pistol for long term storage
 
totally hypothetical situation. Let's say I have my carry and HD gear squared away. And I was trying to keep pretty consistent in my gear so I don't have a ton of stuff across a ton of platforms, I'm shooting M&P shields, 2.0 9mms, and 1911s in 45, and I have piles of accessories, holsters, ammo, etc. I am interested in expanding my levels of general preparation, and I am thinking about keeping a pistol in a secure off site location. Not so much for zombies, but like an "oh **** my house burned down" situation. I'm thinking about some cash, maybe PMs, extra car keys, **** like that.

curious what the general consensus on a pistol for longer term storage. The storage location I have in mind is like 3" x 5" x 24", so a bigger handgun would have to be taken apart I think. I would be willing to vacuum seal stuff and keep it oiled. I wouldn't have constant access to it but it's climate controlled.

My thoughts on what to use, as I don't currently have any "extra" stuff in the safe I could use besides a Les Baer. Willing to spend $400ish bucks but obviously the cheaper the better, as I'm pretty sure I will never need it and my kids will find it when I die.

38 special or similar. small and cheap, but weird caliber
Glock 23. can get a police trade in cheap right now, but it would take an 80% frame and conversion barrel before I liked it.
M&P shield or 2.0. already have one of each but I missed the sales and the prices are back up.
budget 1911. don't have one but may be able to find my way to get one.

other suggestions? don't think a long gun will work in any capacity.

grendelbane 09-23-2018 03:05 PM

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  I would be willing to vacuum seal stuff and keep it oiled
I would avoid this. You are sealing whatever moisture there is where it can not dissipate.

A heavy coating of grease would work better, with one of those corrosion resistant paper wraps.

drdaytona 09-23-2018 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by grendelbane (Post 12622512)
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  I would be willing to vacuum seal stuff and keep it oiled
I would avoid this. You are sealing whatever moisture there is where it can not dissipate.

A heavy coating of grease would work better, with one of those corrosion resistant paper wraps.

Vacuum sealing should remove nearly all of the moisture along with the air.

I say any serviceable Glock would fit the bill.

Descartian 09-23-2018 03:32 PM

If go with a cheap 9mm Glock. Finding mags and ammo in a SHTF situation will be easy. I use the product below for long term storage. That and a vacuum seal would be great.

http://www.1911store.com/rust-preven...inhibitor.aspx

Amos Iron Wolf 09-23-2018 03:38 PM

Used Glock 19 since you already have 9mm. Get the Grip Force Adapter and put on it. It comes with a smooth and a ribbed one (sounds like condoms :)) and is about $25. Makes the Glock point more like a 1911 angle than a Glock. On all my Glock except my 19X which has a backstrap that works the same for me.

Or, get a clean, used Glock 30S in .45 ACP. Add the GFA. And toss in a couple of G21 mags and ammo. In our shop used Gen 3 Glocks go for around $400 and Gen 4 between $450-490 depending on what the gun has with it.

I run both a SIG P220 full size or a Glock 30S for my .45 carry guns and a SIG P938 for the 9MM. The Glock 19X and my 19C Gen 2 fit my Milt Sparks VMII holster for the 30S. The 30S is about the size of the G19/23.

A basic RIA GI 1911 is a good gun if you are okay with GI sights. Just over $400 at Bud's. Or see if you can find a good deal on a clean, used RIA Tactical. Or up to around $500 for a new one. Just toss in some good mags. The ACT mag that comes with the RIA is generally okay, but some Chip McCormick or a couple of Wilson's are a better choice for a starting over after the house burnt situation.

Personally, I'd go for a good used Glock 30S or 19 since mags and parts are easy and less expensive to come buy if you are having to build up after a life changing loss or if the zombies come.

With so many agencies going to 9MM you could probably get a good deal on a .40 caliber Glock. I can't keep the used (we only sell used) 9MM Glocks in stock, but the .40s and the .45s sit longer. And we have a large LEO population from local, to BP, to US Marshalls here. The selling point for a lot of our .40 chambered pistols is that a lot of these guys already have plenty of ammo in that caliber. Even then a fair number of those carry either 9MM or .45 ACP for personal carry.

Okay, personally I seriously dislike the G23. The G22 I'm fine with, but for me shooting fast strings with the G23 it's a squirmy, snappy little tool without some grip mods over a 50-100 rounds in short order. So I'm prejudiced. I'd rather shoot my G29 in 10MM all day over a G23.

Well, actually, the wife has sort of claimed the G29. She enjoys shooting it. Hated the light framed, Charter Arms Pink Lady, .38 Special revolver. One shot and she handed that back and said, "Hell no!" Really got into the G29 and shoots it pretty well.

USMM guy 09-23-2018 08:39 PM

I think that you answered your own question.
 
Just get some cheap Tupperware guns (Glocks) wrap them up and put them away. Not sure what you living arrangements are. But around where I live there are abandoned houses and barns all over the place.

Andyk 09-24-2018 09:47 PM

You have m&p 2.0, find a used 1.0, you can use the same mags and not that different from what you have.

Cappi 09-24-2018 10:07 PM

I'm with Andy

you like the M&P (I do too)
It's still my favorite poly
(my VP9 came real close and I love it too) but couldn't best the M&P in overall "shootabiity" in my hand

prices?? I bought a full size M&P 9mm gen1 used LNIB a few months ago for $350 OTD


hose it down with oil, vac pac with a bottle of CLP or oil and a rag and stuff it in any hidey-hole you want ...and forget about it
(just don't forget where you buried it) :dope::D:dope:


..L.T.A.

YVK 09-25-2018 12:31 AM

I actually used to do that. I kept a couple of things in my bank's security deposit box, and some cash, etc. In fact, I think I still have an AR lower in there...

I stopped since after I realized that I can walk into 4 stores within 20 min drive any day and in 20 min walk out with a perfectly good from-the-box-into-the-holster Glock or HK. I actually think there is more value in storing a holster since good ones will take longer to obtain. Which is why I have a Glock holster in my range bag that lives in my car.

Tim Burke 09-25-2018 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by YVK (Post 12623864)
Which is why I have a Glock holster in my range bag that lives in my car.

Kydex or leather?
I've seen Kydex holsters change enough from living in a car without a gun in them to become non-functional.

Jerry799 09-25-2018 08:15 AM

Smokey Mountain Arms in TN has used LEO 40 cal Glocks with night sites and three magazines on sale for $309. They also don't charge for shipping or credit card use. Kind of a no brainer...lol!

John Joseph 09-25-2018 10:33 AM

I wouldn't use plastic. I've seen what time does to dash boards.

STORM2 09-25-2018 12:46 PM

Define long term. Did you get 6 months or 15 to life? Long term to some is wait time for leather, several months. Wait time for Stan 5 years plus. The term is vague.

steviesterno 09-25-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by STORM2 (Post 12624196)
Define long term. Did you get 6 months or 15 to life? Long term to some is wait time for leather, several months. Wait time for Stan 5 years plus. The term is vague.


unsure time frame. this is a back up to a back up to a primary. so will probably never need it but still wouldn't hurt to have it kind of thing.

I have access, so if it needs to be cleaned/oiled regularly that's fine, too.

steviesterno 09-25-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by John Joseph (Post 12624086)
I wouldn't use plastic. I've seen what time does to dash boards.

dashboards sit in direct UV exposure for hours at a time. and the interior of my truck (Texas) hits over 140* for like 8 months out of the year.... This will be in a climate controlled location in the dark, so I'm less worried about that.

mark2734 09-25-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andyk (Post 12623798)
You have m&p 2.0, find a used 1.0, you can use the same mags and not that different from what you have.

I agree with Andyk as well. If you already have one platform why switch? And yes you'll need some sort of holster. Considering the long term aspect of this I'd almost suggest a thumb break style leather rig. Less affected by heat over the long run and the thumb break will work even if the leather starts to stretch.

YVK 09-25-2018 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Burke (Post 12623952)
Kydex or leather?
I've seen Kydex holsters change enough from living in a car without a gun in them to become non-functional.

Fair point. Mine is kydex. I check it once in while, seems ok. I presume I can go find my milt sparks.

TRSOtto 09-26-2018 01:35 PM

I'd bury a used Taurus stainless .357. Slathered in rust preventive and vacuum sealed in a mayonnaise jar with desiccant bags.

If someone found it. No great loss.

It's a revolver. Not much to go wrong over time.

USMM guy 09-27-2018 08:21 PM

Store it in a container filled with oil.
 
Either that or just cosmoline the heck out of it. This worked well for the military for many decades. Ammo will store just fine if kept dry.

John Joseph 09-27-2018 09:46 PM

Lots of handguns have slept unused for multiple decades in sock drawers with a good coat of preservative oil or grease. Why would your handgun be any different?
I've got boxes of ammo close to 50 years old stored in a cool dry place--- which is too old if you ask me---but they still shoot fine.

FightinTXAggie 09-27-2018 10:32 PM

I don't know how long you're talking about...
 
But in years past, when I would buy, say, a new Colt 1911... I would buy one to have customized as I saw fit, and buy a second to keep for if/when I wore that one out, to have one just like it made.

All these years later (30+), I still haven't worn out the ones I had customized for carry. And, I still have a few 1911's in their original packaging (from Styrofoam boxes, cardboard boxes, to plastic bags in plastic boxes), with no rust or other issues whatsoever. As well as dozens of rifles, shotguns, & pistols kept around the house, ranch, shop, and trucks, that have had absolutely no care whatsoever for a few decades, and still look pristine (and a lot that have been used hard, don't look very pristine, but aren't rusty; and, many that stay in the safe and haven't been removed for years--pristine). Unless you are taping them inside your septic tank, or burying them in a rag in your backyard, I just don't think you can go wrong.

In addition, concerning ammo... I have recently loaded rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammo with primers (and in some instances, powder) that I had left over from the 1960s. It shoots just fine. And I have a LOT of ammo (factory & reloads) from every decade since the '60s, through 2018. It all shoots just fine, despite having been stored inside the house, in a garage, a shop, in vehicles, the ranch, in old range bags, hunting vests, extreme heat, extreme cold, wherever. I have NEVER had any ammo that became unreliable in 50+ years of storage.

If I never bought or loaded another round of ammunition (God forbid that ever happens), I would probably have enough to last another lifetime. And, I would trust it to function, no matter how it had been stored. I just don't think that, barring submersion or storing outside in the elements, you can go wrong.

scubadad 09-28-2018 05:28 AM

Your location would help answer the question. Are we dealing with desert or snow conditions?

steviesterno 09-28-2018 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by scubadad (Post 12626130)
Your location would help answer the question. Are we dealing with desert or snow conditions?

Texas, but I plan on keeping it indoors and air conditioned/heated (those 3 days a year we need heat)

Akbowman 09-28-2018 05:29 PM

My very first rifle was a hand-me-down that is nearly 60 years old, it’s never been in a “climate controlled” environment other than my house, and while it hasn’t been fired in about 30 years, I was meticulous about cleaning it after firing it, and now it gets wiped down with a oiled rag 1x/year. It’s in great shape. I’d be very comfortable coating it in a light grease (or heavy oil) and then storing it. Not sure about vacuum sealing it, but placing it in a watertight container (mil ammo box) with a good gasket after it’s lubed up should be just fine for several decades

Cappi 09-28-2018 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by steviesterno (Post 12626204)
Texas, but I plan on keeping it indoors and air conditioned/heated (those 3 days a year we need heat)


you're overthinking it Brother

the requirements for the environment it will be in just aren't that challenging.
Not a whole lot of need for concern

it's not like you're storing it under the chicken coop

..L.T.A.


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