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i9ii 04-05-2018 06:10 AM

what breed qualifies as a good guard dog ?
 
Everyone knows dogs are among the best criminal deterrents one can get. In hard/bad times, I'm curious what breed you guys believe would serve a guard dog role best?

I am thinking real hard about a fila brasileiro for this task. Yes they are big, and they will eat a little more, but from my experience really no more than a high energy dog like a shepherd. A good buddy has a great dane/mastif mix, over 200 lbs and he eats less than some labs I've seen. This is also true of another friends Fila. The Fila/mastifs are very hearty/strong dogs that I believe would far well in rough times, plus they will not out of boredom chew up everything under the sun. They are quite happy just laying around until the time comes to bite an arm off. They are great around & guarding other animals as well.

What say you guys?

mara5 04-05-2018 08:16 AM

You're gonna need more info! What is the dog guarding? You, home, livestock, buildings, etc? I am not familiar with that specific breed, so can't comment on it's ability, but would think the gene pool in this country is very minimal (not a good thing).
Do you have experience with guard dog breeds?
What type of climate will the dog be used?
Lot's of questions, but they all need to be answered in my opeinion. Good luck.

joepilot 04-05-2018 08:23 AM

Any dog can be a good guard dog. Depends more on training than breed. The best dogs I've ever had have been mutts. They are smart, loyal, and plenty scary enough to make anyone think twice. If I were looking for a dog right now I'd get one with some German Shepherd mixed with maybe Black Lab or similar. It would be a damned good dog!!

techiede44 04-05-2018 10:29 AM

+on the training; my preferences are GSD mixes...currently have a GSD-Blue Heeler mix.

jtq 04-05-2018 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by i9ii (Post 12133753)
I am thinking real hard about a fila brasileiro for this task.

What say you guys?

I think it's not a common breed and chances of you finding one may be difficult, and most likely a pricey breed if you can find one. However, if you have access to a breeder, it would probably be just fine. A rare breed would probably be significantly more expensive than a more common breed that would be similarly effective at the task.

I think a defense/attack type dog really needs a skilled owner, or at least professional training. For the typical smash and grab criminal, any dog that makes a noise is probably adequate.

retrieverman 04-05-2018 11:03 AM

All I ask out of my “guard” dog is to alert me when someone/anyone comes to my house, and our wiener dog fills the bill nicely and doesn’t eat much. I’m convinced she can hear a fly fart...

tightloops 04-05-2018 11:08 AM

My Yorkie will tear your ankle apart!!

USMM guy 04-05-2018 11:25 AM

+1 on the Yorkies.
 
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When all of the smaller kids in the neighborhood started to turn up missing. I knew that I needed to start keeping a better eye on mine though. Bloodthirsty little things.

bountyhunter9 04-05-2018 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by retrieverman (Post 12135009)
All I ask out of my “guard” dog is to alert me when someone/anyone comes to my house, and our wiener dog fills the bill nicely and doesn’t eat much. I’m convinced she can hear a fly fart...

Those dogs have a lot of heart...

Don't ever doubt it

bountyhunter9 04-05-2018 11:40 AM

I think the best guard dog I ever had was a blue healer...

Mooseman1776 04-05-2018 11:46 AM

shar pei

AverageGuy 04-05-2018 11:47 AM

Any yapper will be a good alert system when you are home. Neighbors house was broken into last year. I checked my security cameras and saw them go to house #1, knock and leave when their lab started barking. Thieves then went house #2 with no dog, knocked and then went around and kicked in the back door. Made a mess but didn't take much. Police were given video showing faces and tag # but because it was a low theft amount, the break in was never investigated or followed up. GRRRR

1911MILSPEC2015 04-05-2018 12:24 PM

I believe any dog that will bark when they detect trespassers......make a good "guard" dog.....they do the barking...I will take care of the "biting"....

Kelpiemonk 04-05-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bountyhunter9 (Post 12135169)
I think the best guard dog I ever had was a blue healer...

My heeler is a big softie until somebody puts their hands on me, then he leaps into action. It is a pain in the butt, because that person more likely than not is my wife being nice to me. Or my mother giving me a hug, and she is in her 80s.

I'd rather a dog that didn't guard, and if he did guard, I'd rather it just be barking. I don't need a lawsuit because one of my dogs got jealous.

The real issue is that most of the true guard dogs are livestock guardians, and they are really good at it, but they are kind of lame dogs to live with the other 99.99% of the time. The dogs people think of as good guard dogs are either herding breeds, like Shepherds and Mals, but they actually tend to work best in prey drive, and are more suited for chase and apprehension, along with short periods of guarding, but the guarding is very stressful for them as compared to the prey work. Think a dog chasing a ball versus a dog guarding its bone.

Most other "guard dogs" are just dogs with bad temperaments and little socialization who are scared of everything they see and bite stuff because of it. Think ghetto pit bulls and most molosser breeds.

kwo51 04-05-2018 01:19 PM

My Dobie would let you on the porch but not off of it till I told him to.

Oldfut808 04-05-2018 01:31 PM

I rescued this little mutt 3 years ago. Some kind of terrier mix.
He always lets me know if something is going on outside my house.
An excellent watch dog, but he is too friendly.
He will lick you to death. I taught him to do tricks and talk.
https://youtu.be/PDg8vy9lG3A

PBag 04-05-2018 02:10 PM

Best dog I ever had was a Boerboel, great guard dog, great with children, cats, enjoyed fishing trips.

wccountryboy 04-05-2018 04:13 PM

I've had Rotts, an ACD, an English mastif, a Carolina Dog, and mutts...
One of the Rotts was specifically trained as a protective working dog- he was a living machine controlled by voice... but it took work to maintain him as such, and I wouldn't necessarily "trust" him to make his own decisions.

The ACD was incredibly intelligent and eager to please, shoe him something once and he had it. He was an intuitive learner, and viciously protective of "his" property and people... more of a "partnership" than an owner-master dynamic.

The mastif was also an intuitive protector, lazy until one crossed a line on the property, then intimidating protective- most people fear 200 pound dogs... being bred NOT to bite except as a last resort is good for a low energy, low maintenance dog. The downside: giant dogs are usually short-lived, their joints don't age well. Their "working" life is maybe 6 years... they are exponentially more expensive to feed and vet than an "average" size dog. They drool, excessively. They become very attatched to people, and must be near them, often in physical contact. They can't be soley outdoor dogs, so you have a 200+ pound animal, in the house, who can and will- regardless of training- put his basketball sized slobbery head on your table at dinner, and get up on your sofa... in a SHTF world, such a dog would need 4-6 pounds (2-3% of body weight) of meat, organ, and bone each and every day... thats enough to feed several people...

The CD is a stray that wandered out of the swamp a few years ago at about 4 weeks old... as a feral land-race dog, it took her several months to adjust to people. Once she did, she bonded very well. Very smart, on par with the ACD... easy to train, very diciplined, alert, agile, seems to know what I want or expect. 45ish pounds, easy to keep. Distrustful and hostile to strangers, until shes told its OK- then she ignores them. She will kill and eat anything smaller than herself that she can catch; she can fend for herself if need be.

Lots of options, lots of choices... the single big takeaway is that a "protective" dog is a 10+ year investment in time and money to produce and maintain... such working dogs need to WORK regularly, or they decay.

RetiredRod 04-05-2018 06:02 PM

I have a 25# Rat Terrier that is an excellent "watch" dog. He energetically alerts at every outside sound. Unfortunately, he isn't much of an "attack" dog, other than snarling and barking.

Black Jack 04-05-2018 06:55 PM

Depends on what you want the dog to do.

Do you want it to make noise and alert you to a possible intruder, or do you want it to attack and take down a threat?

Almost any good family dog will do the first. Most good family dogs of mid to large size will do the second.

Kelpiemonk 04-05-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Jack (Post 12136985)
Depends on what you want the dog to do.

Do you want it to make noise and alert you to a possible intruder, or do you want it to attack and take down a threat?

Almost any good family dog will do the first. Most good family dogs of mid to large size will do the second.

Sorry, but this is BS. I have worked with, trained and competed with dogs my entire life. Most good family dogs are way too scared to take on a threat, and most of the ones who would are not under any sort of responsible control.

The fact that they won't is a good thing, because dogs generally aren't all that good at assessing what is threatening and what isn't. They only understand what is scary to them and what isn't.

gqllc 04-05-2018 08:09 PM

Here is my guard dog Luger watching over my wife and his sister. He is from the Czech Republic. Both his parents are active duty. Great dog....beyond energetic. I have had many many dogs and none have had his endless energy
http://i66.tinypic.com/mcu7a9.jpg

bountyhunter9 04-05-2018 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelpiemonk (Post 12135497)
My heeler is a big softie until somebody puts their hands on me, then he leaps into action. It is a pain in the butt, because that person more likely than not is my wife being nice to me. Or my mother giving me a hug, and she is in her 80s.

I'd rather a dog that didn't guard, and if he did guard, I'd rather it just be barking. I don't need a lawsuit because one of my dogs got jealous.

The real issue is that most of the true guard dogs are livestock guardians, and they are really good at it, but they are kind of lame dogs to live with the other 99.99% of the time. The dogs people think of as good guard dogs are either herding breeds, like Shepherds and Mals, but they actually tend to work best in prey drive, and are more suited for chase and apprehension, along with short periods of guarding, but the guarding is very stressful for them as compared to the prey work. Think a dog chasing a ball versus a dog guarding its bone.

Most other "guard dogs" are just dogs with bad temperaments and little socialization who are scared of everything they see and bite stuff because of it. Think ghetto pit bulls and most molosser breeds.

Nailed it.

Mine described exactly

I was able to teach it to just bark ...no bitting ...very smart dog

She is very watchful ...of her pack

Javelina 04-05-2018 10:14 PM

Gotta be a chihuahua :D

Markbailey 04-05-2018 10:42 PM

2 for me, yorkie and a mastiff. Deadly combination, lol. Little one wakes me and the big one if a fly lands in my dang yard.


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