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No new guns until dems defeated

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#1 ·
Maybe not "News" for most, but it makes sense for me and I've decided it's news for me.

I've come to the conclusion that buying new guns is off the table until the democrats have lost the presidency for 2020, the house and the senate.
Why?
1. Because I have more guns than can fit into my safe now. 2. Because at the rate things are going the socialists will end up confiscating them all and destroying them anyway. and 3. Because we HAVE to stop them!

My typical process is to save money until I have enough to buy the next purdy gun I want to own, but various pro-second amendment groups need that money, and the end results are potentially more satisfying than a nice 1916 P08 or a new 1911 assembly kit.
As a lifetime NRA member I honestly feel they have let us down too many times, because someone should have screamed bloody murder in 1967-'68, but CGA 68 got past the NRA, as did the 80's AWB. I don't want to go on against the NRA because someday they too will understand that far too much "Negotiation" has gotten the camel's nose under the tent.

My money is going to The Firearms Policy Coalition. My next gun, that money! And maybe I'll send half to Gun Owners of America. This should be far more effective than preaching to the choir, or should I say sobbing to the choir? I've been pouring cash into the re-election of President Donald Trump from household funds, because if the nutcases get the presidency our lives will scarcely be worth living.

I hope also to inspire others to sacrifice while a sacrifice has a chance to help keep our Constitution.
 
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#4 ·
I’ve been down the road of giving up what was mine via a greedy X wife and bad divorce.

I’m done giving things up or turning things in. That doesn’t mean being stupid or foolish.
Without any details, I can tell you, until we stand our ground and send the message over and over, that We Will Not Comply with anymore nonsensical unconstitutional anti gun laws, the Left will continue to grab whatever they can, just like a greedy Xwife.
 
#5 ·
Prison time is not on my bucket list and I'm sure that they'd want to make an example out of a middle class white guy.

Pitched gun battles with the gun collection squad will not be good for the cause of gun rights. People won't say, "Lookit, the gun guy were right. Confiscation is happening," instead they'll say, "The anti-gun people were right, gun people are crazy!"
 
#9 · (Edited)
Well, turn your stuff in bro. Why wait?

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ~ Sam Adams
 
#6 ·
I give plenty of money to the NRA.

Additionally I give money to the VCDL, and Judicial watch. The purchase of a new gun here and there does not affect my rate of contributions. For the most part the people that I purchase guns from, they do the same.
 
#7 · (Edited)
M Yaworski, so you're just turning your guns in and taking up stamp collecting - or knitting - instead? What are you doing here?

When it gets to actual confiscation, the other side has at that point declared War on the Constitution and the Rights of Man and is no longer a legal government under Constitutional Authority - each participant in the confiscation is violating his Oath of Office and is acting illegally - no matter what laws they pass, nothing trumps the Constitution, period. This is never about controlling Crime - it's about Controlling American Citizens "for their own protection". Right. Ask yourself, at what point would you be willing to stand up and say something?

With your attitude, the Founders would have never founded anything - they would have meekly surrendered to the mighty British Crown - and Freedom - here and in the rest of the World - would have never happened. Kings and Emperors would still rule, everywhere.

The Second Amendment is the "Reset Button" on the Constitution - the Founders understood that, fully. If tyrants seriously reach for that Right with concrete Action, they are only doing that so they can take all the other Rights, too.

Remember your history? Lexington and Concord happened precisely because the King sent his soldiers to take the guns of English Citizens. EXACTLY the same scenario. You do realize that there are many MILLIONS more gun owners than government enforcers to take them on, right? Tyranny can only win if we let it. But it takes the will to resist - peacefully through voting is my preferred method, but what if that is not enough? Just give up on Freedom? We must all consider this carefully - it will affect everything. Once lost, Freedom takes blood to regain.

When the Government has decided to use Force on citizens that will not comply with an unconstitutional Law they are no longer acting within The Law - they are outside of it.
When that happens a Public Relations Campaign will no longer be relevant - it will be war. Votes won't matter any more (some say they don't, now). Winning or losing will be the result of using raw Force to settle the issue.


The choice we each face is, do you want to die on your feet, or slowly, on your knees? Does Freedom end so you can watch Football in peace and turn your head the other way as Evil takes over and rounds up the real Patriots? These are the Questions we all have to ask - and answer - for ourselves and our posterity. And it appears, for now, that decision time is going to be forced upon us - unless we get busy and educate our fellow citizens. CC
 
#11 · (Edited)
After seeing the video of the Bernie Sanders staffer speaking highly of gulags, I'm not giving up anything.

If a leftist ever gets power, they will be out for blood. The American people hurt them greatly in 2016. They are going out of their way to demonize and attack anyone who doesn't support thier agenda.

They attack white Christian males through various forms propaganda in a way similar to the various anti-semitic films the Germans made in the '30s. The identity politics trend only divides people further, and helps normalize the concept of persecuting certain demographics that aren't useful to the leftist agenda. They want a disarmed populace for a reason.

I would suggest getting plenty of ammo, a few magazines, some non-perishable food and maybe some body armor (God forbid it gets bad enough for that to be a necessity).
 
#13 ·
After seeing the video of the Bernie Sanders speaking highly of gulags, I'm not giving up anything.

If a leftist ever gets power, they will be out for blood. The American people hurt them greatly in 2016. They are going out of their way to demonize and attack anyone who doesn't support thier agenda.

They attack white Christian males through various forms propaganda in a way similar to the various anti-semitic films the Germans made in the '30s. The identity politics trend only divides people further, and helps normalize the concept of persecuting certain demographics that aren't useful to the leftist agenda. They want a disarmed populace for a reason.

I would suggest getting plenty of ammo, a few magazines, some non-perishable food and maybe some body armor (God forbid it gets bad enough for that to be a necessity).
Yes. They will gladly and merrily put you on your knees and put a bullet in the back of your head. But there is a caveat to that.

And put your family in a reeducation center to get their minds right. Or stuff them into ovens.

A lot of Americans will go along with this for one reason or another. Some obviously, will not. This is just the way it is.

But we all get to pick our sides. Make your decision now. If it's the one side, do nothing as you are ready for the outcome. If you choose the other side, know it will be a struggle. A righteous struggle. Prepare. Mind, body, soul, material...prepare. Quietly network. Prepare. Know the enemy will try mightily to overwhelm you with fear. Gird your loins and fear not.

Oh sure, we will always have the naysayers. The doom and gloomers. The defeatists. Meh. So what? They've lived their lives off sloppy seconds. They will never change.

The caveat? Bullets go both ways. Fear is a double edged sword.
 
#22 ·
Support and DEFEND the constitution. I seem to remember hearing and speaking those words.
There's Federal and SCOTUS judges that disagree with you ( and myself) on what the 2A means.
Spoiler alert: there are LEOs and soldiers that disagree with you (and myself) on what the 2A means.

What theses people would do will most likely vary from place to place, and organization to organization. It will be top down driven, based on the stance of the organizational leaders.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Some things are best illustrated with Statistics.

There are well over 100 Million Gun Owners in the United States. There is somewhere (depending on whose numbers you believe) over 300 Million firearms in private hands in the USA. Of those, over 20 MILLION meet the definition of "Assault Weapon", each with an average of 6-8 magazines apiece. And there are BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition in american closets, on shelves and in gun safes.

What is the size of the force that would be available to take these arms, assuming a worst case, Bernie Sanders "Soviet Style" Communistic State happens this election?

First of all, if you add up every cop, sheriff's officer, FBI, regular Army and National Guard - you don't get much over 2 Million available "Enforcers". Many of those wearing these uniforms do understand the Oath they have taken "to preserve the Constitution of the United States from All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic" - and would not be very good enforcers. Some would quit, some would "look the other way" and some might turn their weapons on the oppressors themselves.

But let's assume you have 2 Million eager "Bernie Bro trained" enforcers. Let's say only 10 Percent of those 100 Million gun owners would resist. Let's see - an Army of Ten Million against an Army of Two Million - how would that play out?? And an awful lot of the guys on the resistance side are former Army or LE themselves - they know the drill,, and would be quite effective in making the Enforcers pay an outsized price. Cops have homes and families to worry about, too - I recall a time when some of the Drug Culture shot up several of our Officer's houses in Drive By Shootings - and it was pretty tense wearing a uniform with a police car parked outside for us and worrying about a random bullet coming through the house and killing someone you love. If this goes to blows, it will be messy - but it will be equally so for both sides, make no mistake. Which is why we MUST fight this out Politically, with Words, Logic and Ballots, Not Bullets. No Civil War was ever Civil, and we must avoid one if we can.

Support the right candidates - with help on the campaign, or money. Talk to your friend s and neighbors - if each of us got one more person to vote right next election the problem would be solved. Let's stop the other side from creating the Next Civil War - through education and persuasion.

It's time to educate you family members - and explain what is at stake. If we fail to win the war of words, and we stand by the Oath to the Constitution so many of us here have taken, we might have to resort to measures none of us want. CC

PS - Want to know what it could be like? Re-screen Mel Gibson's movie "The Patriot". Pay attention to the more grim, ugly parts, and make your own appropriate decisions and preparations. Let's not let that happen, friends. CC
 
#34 ·
Some things are best illustrated with Statistics.

There are well over 100 Million Gun Owners in the United States. There is somewhere (depending on whose numbers you believe) over 300 Million firearms in private hands in the USA. Of those, over 20 MILLION meet the definition of "Assault Weapon", each with an average of 6-8 magazines apiece. And there are BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition in american closets, on shelves and in gun safes.

What is the size of the force that would be available to take these arms, assuming a worst case, Bernie Sanders "Soviet Style" Communistic State happens this election?

First of all, if you add up every cop, sheriff's officer, FBI, regular Army and National Guard - you don't get much over 2 Million available "Enforcers". Many of those wearing these uniforms do understand the Oath they have taken "to preserve the Constitution of the United States from All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic" - and would not be very good enforcers. Some would quit, some would "look the other way" and some might turn their weapons on the oppressors themselves.

But let's assume you have 2 Million eager "Bernie Bro trained" enforcers. Let's say only 10 Percent of those 100 Million gun owners would resist. Let's see - an Army of Ten Million against an Army of Two Million - how would that play out?? And an awful lot of the guys on the resistance side are former Army or LE themselves - they know the drill,, and would be quite effective in making the Enforcers pay an outsized price. Cops have homes and families to worry about, too - I recall a time when some of the Drug Culture shot up several of our Officer's houses in Drive By Shootings - and it was pretty tense wearing a uniform with a police car parked outside for us and worrying about a random bullet coming through the house and killing someone you love. If this goes to blows, it will be messy - but it will be equally so for both sides, make no mistake. Which is why we MUST fight this out Politically, with Words, Logic and Ballots, Not Bullets. No Civil War was ever Civil, and we must avoid one if we can.

Support the right candidates - with help on the campaign, or money. Talk to your friend s and neighbors - if each of us got one more person to vote right next election the problem would be solved. Let's stop the other side from creating the Next Civil War - through education and persuasion.

It's time to educate you family members - and explain what is at stake. If we fail to win the war of words, and we stand by the Oath to the Constitution so many of us here have taken, we might have to resort to measures none of us want. CC
I see someone has their brain engaged.
 
#36 ·
I am really glad that things turned out the way that they did the other day.

I am referring to Richmond VA. We sent a message in a peaceful and orderly fashion. And they got it. The really bad bill SB 961 bears very little resemblance to what they originally started with. And it still has only the slimmest chance of passage. We will see Monday how this plays out. At least for now here in VA.

The other bunch of bogus bills that they came out with will have little real effect. And we will roll them back as time allows. One bill that these buffoons managed to have heard really makes me scratch my head. They want to give people the ability to put themselves on a prohibited list. I am sure that will drastically lower "gun violence" here in the commonwealth. :scratch:
 
#39 ·
I am referring to Richmond VA. We sent a message in a peaceful and orderly fashion. And they got it. The really bad bill SB 961 bears very little resemblance to what they originally started with. And it still has only the slimmest chance of passage. We will see Monday how this plays out. At least for now here in VA.

The other bunch of bogus bills that they came out with will have little real effect. And we will roll them back as time allows. One bill that these buffoons managed to have heard really makes me scratch my head. They want to give people the ability to put themselves on a prohibited list. I am sure that will drastically lower "gun violence" here in the commonwealth. :scratch:
A gutted anti-gun bill is still an anti-gun bill. The legislature realized after the rally, that they dumped the frog into water that was already boiling. They will now try to be incremental and turn up the heat slowly like CA did.
 
#40 ·
That's an interesting point. Some could survive off .mil and LE contracts alone, others could not. FNH, Sig, and HK could probably live without us. Everyone else would probably go under. It seems that everytime Colt has gone bankrupt, it was during a period when they were giving little attention to the commercial market.
 
#41 ·
To the OP and all the ones not fully committed to the Constitution:

Now is the time to not only buy more, but make sure it can't be found. Stored safely, away from you yet accessible. Untraceable to you. Storage unit in your name? Bad idea. Buried in a friend's backyard? It'd have to be some trustworthy friend. But you get the idea. You can't have all your stash in your house, that's the first place they'll go for!

It's time to party like it's 1775. That means hide your ****, and apply opsec - don't be talking about it. You never know at work who the socialists are. Actually sometimes it's rather obvious who they are, they're so good at self-identifying.

It also means plan and rehearse. What would you do if the door does explode at 2 am on a Tuesday? Comply, or defend yourself? Could you actually *do* it? Will the nerves let you? Will your heartbeat and adrenaline let you sight and trigger properly?

One such defense may be a loon. Two may be just crazy people. Thousands across the States will be Martyrs. I'd like to think that after enough bloodshed public opinion will turn against the banners.

THen again, I am wired very much unlike most people. My scenarios may be backwards from what most would think would happen.
 
#44 ·
For those who believe that the army wouldn't do anything. Read about the Bonus Army, the Army sent about 1,000 troop up against 17,000 veterans. The army also deployed tanks. People talk about the "brotherhood of veterans" but that didn't seem to cut any ice back then.

Organized and trained troop will usually defeat a disorganized mob.
 
#46 · (Edited)
No one has said the Army wouldn't do anything. But not ALL of the Army is going to comply with unconstitutional laws. Nor are ALL cops going to comply. To believe otherwise is to buy into the Leftist (think Biden and Swallowswell tactics).
 
#47 ·
I don't give much credence to the endless amount of chest-pounding on gun forum's as far as who is brave and who is not. It is just pointless talk if the bravery isn't paired with team work, consolidation of forces, and a plan to resist.

Bravery in and by itself isn't enough (assuming all those who tell us how brave they are - truly are brave). A Banzai attack against US Marines usually amounted to a "tale told by a fool, signifying nothing". A lot of dead-"Jap's" to use the colloquialism of the day. Brave yes, smart - no.

I'm more interested in what ones strategy is rather than how brave a person is. That is why I am happy to support the VA patriots, they have exhibited bravery so far, but beyond that, they have a collective means to resist throughout the state. They need to formulate further plans and strengthen the coalition against potential violent attempts by the evil-governor, but so far they have done more than any state has to date in preparation of resisting.
 
#48 ·
I don't give much credence to the endless amount of chest-pounding on gun forum's as far as who is brave and who is not. It is just pointless talk if the bravery isn't paired with team work, consolidation of forces, and a plan to resist.
If we're thinking about it here, then it's already happening. But I doubt we'd hear about it here. This place isn't secure, none of the internet is without taking quite concrete steps to make it secure.

One thing's fer sure, I need to get out and meet my local fellow gun nuts and constitutionalists. I guess that is the last function of the alleged "gun show"
 
#54 ·
Knowing when a fight is absolutely, irrevocable lost to change through available means, and adjusting accordingly, is sound strategy.
CA, NJ, NY, CT and such are absolutely, completely, 100% lost to positive pro 2A change through the ballot box. The ONLY thing that will restore the 2A in such places is a sweeping, crystal clear, powerful SCOTUS decision. There's nothing that the citizens of those States can do to change that. To think otherwise is to be living in MR Rodgers Land of Make Believe....
 
#61 ·
Regarding the Amendment Process for the U.S. Constitution.


There has only ever been ONE Constitutional Amendment Ratified and Enacted that "Removed" or "Prevented" American Citizens from doing something.

That was the 18th Amendment.


There is also only ONE Amendment that has ever been Repealed.

That was the 19th Amendment, and was Repealed by the 21st Amendment.

I've always thought that the reason the 18th Failed, and Failed Miserably, was that it was a case of "Them The Government" trying to exert Control over American Citizens and infringe upon their Freedoms.

The Ctrl-Left is, and in my opinion always has been about infringing upon the Freedoms of Americans and exerting Control so that they can Subjugate Citizens.
 
#62 ·
There is the principle espoused in the DOI that mentions something....oh what was it?.....uhmmmm..... oh yeah, unalienable rights. Rights given to men by a higher power than man. Or natural rights if you prefer. Rights that NO MAN can take away. Unless of course a man allows it.
 
#65 · (Edited)
This is where the Rubber Meets The Road. Thanks, McVay. Yes, UNALIENABLE RIGHTS - from a higher power than any Government. Which is why "Passing a Law", or "Changing the Constitution" does not and cannot change what is Right at all times and in All places. There is also a little thing about "The Consent of the Governed" that the leftists seem to not understand - they believe that "Might makes Right" - which is why the Founders left us Armed in the first place.... They knew "that kind of man" exists in all generations - and must be stopped.

Jefferson understood - and put in writing a Truth in the Universe - that ALL Men have the Divine Spark - a Soul - from their Creator, and that, as children of God, they have the right to be Free, to live their lives as THEY see fit, under HIS Law. And if Man's Law ever interferes with the Rights of Man, it must be made to conform - by Force, if necessary. Freedom is not optional, gentlemen. Without it, life is meaningless. The Nazis and Stalinists were "following the law" when they exterminated tens of Millions of innocent people. "I was only following orders" will not suffice in front of the Judgement Seat......

The Declaration of Independence was based on Universal Truths better understood by a bunch of very spiritual men who thought and ACTED on their understanding of their Duty to God and Man - which no Government can ever Legislate away. Even if Bernie Sanders was to rewrite the Constitution as a Commie Document, and get it passed - I am not bound to obey HIS VERSION - when I know it is wrong and against God's Law and The Rights of Man.

Let's recall the signed Statement of the Men who got this whole thing started for ALL OF US. From the Declaration of Independence - "and to support this Declaration, we mutually Pledge, Our Lives, Our Fortunes and Our Sacred Honor". The Founders put it all on the line for Human Dignity, Human Freedom and for Justice before the Judge of the Universe. They paid the price, in blood and treasure, to make men Free. Ponder that, as you decide what you would do, should it come down to a decision, right in front of you. Surrender to tyranny, compromise, hide - or STAND for the Right. your Choice. And you will be judged for your choice - in this life, or the next. Chose wisely. CC

PS - For those of you who do not believe in a Higher Power, well, I thing you should reconsider that carefully. Because without Him and His Law, nothing matters and it's just a dog fight, decided only by raw force. I don't believe that - there is Right and Wrong - and I sleep better understanding that - and my place in it all. CC
 
#64 ·
M Yaworski,

I am trying and trying to see your point and/or what terrifying visions you are experiencing. The US Constitution is safe, believe me... Relax... Put on Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and listen with headphones on. It might help!
 
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