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Bigeclipse 02-11-2020 08:56 AM

Looking for a new 1911
 
All,

I purchased a Ruger 1911 3 years ago. Used it for two range trips until it bound up. Sent back to Ruger, they sent me a sloppy new one as they could not fix the one I purchased. They would not send me another stating the one they sent me was in their tolerance range so I got a refund. Anyways, since then I have not had a 1911 in my stable. I am now looking to buy a new 1911 but every time I think im settled on which one I want I either change my mind or I am suddenly looking at 1500$ 1911s like a Springfield TRP which really is getting high on my budget. This gun will be 100% a range toy and that is it so really decent sights and decent trigger is all I need. No house defense or carry. So I am asking, what model 1911s would you be looking at in the following categories:

1. $400-$700 range
2. $700-$1000 range
3. $1000-$1500 range

Dddrees 02-11-2020 09:01 AM

$1000-$1500 I would look at a Dan Wesson.

Viper_29 02-11-2020 09:47 AM

There's really not a glaring difference between $400 and $1500 that I've ever found, yet, for instance the TRP isn't the gun that people make it out to be, as far as I'm concerned. But lot's of opinion like mine it's tough to narrow things down. Given you say:

Quote:

his gun will be 100% a range toy and that is it so really decent sights and decent trigger is all I need. No house defense or carry.
I wouldn't spend any more money than a Rock Island offering.

RandyP 02-11-2020 09:47 AM

For just pure snicks and giggles lobbing 230gr hardball down range? I would not venture past budget level #1, leaning more towards the $500 mark. Several options starting with Tisas.

bmur66 02-11-2020 09:48 AM

My next will be a Fusion

Kelso 02-11-2020 09:56 AM

In your $400 - $700 price range you could get a Springfield Defenders Series mil-spec 1911. I have two that I use as my "beat up" guns that I carry at places like our lake house or deer lease where I may scratch/hit them on something (crawling in/out of side x sides, etc.). Although they are on the cheaper end of scale, they are great and accurate guns. I have never had an issue with either one of them.

RetiredRod 02-11-2020 10:07 AM

I've never owned a Rock Island brand, but everything I heard about them from my fellow shooters and from reading on this Forum, the reports have been very positive. And, if there might be a problem, I've read their customer service is very good.

wsitgm 02-11-2020 12:49 PM

I got a great sr1911 model 6700 (5" barrel, stainless) and consider it one of the best I own. My "other 1911" is a springfield 1911 9mm Range Officer (5" barrel, 10+1 rnd). It is getting better as I wear down the rough edges but it had a lot of them. Quite an accurate shooter for my skills. Paid around 800.

I would try a foray into Rock Island, if I was looking lower end and Wilson Combat if moving uptown.

Another listing for under 700 is Fusion Firearms in Venice, Fl.

https://fusionfirearms.com/freedom-series-government-gi

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mhl6493 02-11-2020 12:59 PM

I believe the Springfield Mil-Spec Defender is probably one of the best bang-for-the-buck 1911s on the market today. Given your specifications, that would probably be my choice.

DubfromGa 02-11-2020 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigeclipse (Post 13064454)
All,

I purchased a Ruger 1911 3 years ago. Used it for two range trips until it bound up. Sent back to Ruger, they sent me a sloppy new one as they could not fix the one I purchased. They would not send me another stating the one they sent me was in their tolerance range so I got a refund. Anyways, since then I have not had a 1911 in my stable. I am now looking to buy a new 1911 but every time I think im settled on which one I want I either change my mind or I am suddenly looking at 1500$ 1911s like a Springfield TRP which really is getting high on my budget. This gun will be 100% a range toy and that is it so really decent sights and decent trigger is all I need. No house defense or carry. So I am asking, what model 1911s would you be looking at in the following categories:

1. $400-$700 range
2. $700-$1000 range
3. $1000-$1500 range




1. There are numerous Springfield Armory Range Officer models on Bud's Gun Shop right now for the $700+ range. Watch for price drops and you'll be able to find them for a little less at times.


2. There are several Colt Series 70 Competition models (stainless & other) on Bud's right now for under $1,000.


3. The Dan Wesson Pointman guns are on Bud's for $1,200 and the Dan Wesson Specialist and new Valor are on there of $1,500.


Before someone flames me for using Bud's as a reference.....insert your own online dealer that has strong pricing and roll with them. There are many.



If all you want it a range toy....then save your money and go with the Range Officer in 9mm and you'll be able to feed it much more economically.

If you want a gun to protect yourself, your family and your home.....then move on into the Dan Wessons and know that you'll have great internals and a gun made for serious use right from the start. Nothing that you'll want to replace on it.

Bigeclipse 02-11-2020 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DubfromGa (Post 13064640)
1. There are numerous Springfield Armory Range Officer models on Bud's Gun Shop right now for the $700+ range. Watch for price drops and you'll be able to find them for a little less at times.


2. There are several Colt Series 70 Competition models (stainless & other) on Bud's right now for under $1,000.


3. The Dan Wesson Pointman guns are on Bud's for $1,200 and the Dan Wesson Specialist and new Valor are on there of $1,500.


Before someone flames me for using Bud's as a reference.....insert your own online dealer that has strong pricing and roll with them. There are many.



If all you want it a range toy....then save your money and go with the Range Officer in 9mm and you'll be able to feed it much more economically.

If you want a gun to protect yourself, your family and your home.....then move on into the Dan Wessons and know that you'll have great internals and a gun made for serious use right from the start. Nothing that you'll want to replace on it.

Thanks for the info. I want to stay with 45acp for two reasons, one...I just want a 1911 in 45acp haha and two I reload for 45acp already anyways so cost to shoot is not too bad. I was settled on stainless but the black finishes such as in the TRP look nice and I heard they cause less binding and such.

GunBugBit 02-11-2020 03:10 PM

Springfield Range Officer would make a fine range toy 1911. Also, it's an adequate blank slate competition gun if you choose to go that route at some point.

Frank Vaccaro 02-11-2020 06:34 PM

Two brands under or just at $1,000 come to mind. Both made in USA, Colt, & Kimber. These would be my first looks!

Striker2237 02-11-2020 06:50 PM

I would avoid colt, not well made and have tendency to have little stupid things wrong
(I can literally go over 4 guns for sale at my range to prove this, one has a galling frame and a disconnecter that gets stuck holding the slide open, another has factory marred sights and sight paint, the next has hilarious plating and polishing errors (it's a "custom shop" mirror polish .38s), and the last has a very badly fit barrel) and are about $400 too much for what they are at every level if not worse.

Springfield makes a great deal with the defender and RO, the TRP doesn't get you any better fit or finish but has more standard features and is quite desired by some. The professional is well made but kidna unrefined and is a "hard fit" type gun that is not my preference, it's also around $2000 used so a little outside your price range but a very good custom style gun.

Dan Wesson is great, well made and uses great materials and offers guns for every role with very good standard features. This is the brand I recommend to anyone who wants an out of the box ready to rock and roll 1911 that won't have issues or require it to be sent to Wilson for correction like a Colt will or a Springfield might.

Rock island is good if you get a good one, horrible if not. Roll the dice, you will not have the ability to send it for correction since most shops and smiths will not want the liability or annoyance. Having worked in my own guns from them I understand why, many things are just not fit correctly and some key items are just flat out not in spec.

Kimber is a dice roll, I have one that is an awesome gun with perfect barrel fit (no bump, lug wear, etc) and everything else works perfectly to my surprise. Doesn't care at all what ammo or mag you use and it's not possible to limp wrist, very very good gun and it's a 3 inch .45 to top it off! On the other hand I had two guns from them that were trash, totally useless trash. It's that way a lot with the brand so carefully carefully carefully check one over before buying it.

A used Ed Brown can be had for $1100-1300 if you are patient and are okay with some finish damage, this of the options presented is the ultimate choice for quality and performance.

wccountryboy 02-11-2020 07:18 PM

Its a pretty broad question.... what if any, are "must have" features in a 1911 for you?

Colt has > $900 offerings that are pretty solid, though minimalist. Sprinfield makes solid performers, though Ive yet to see a sub $1300 one with a trigger that didn't feel like it was full of sand. DW makes great guns, but limited in options. Kimber has a huge menu, and probably the best of the rack trigger I've seen (or felt, more accurately) in a mass produced 1911. Most of their 1911 QA/QC problems are a thing of history.... however once you're willing to spend $1300+, there are better option available.
I don't have enough hands on time with the < $700 options to speak intelligently on them...

SCfromNY 02-13-2020 08:21 AM

Two brands rarely mentioned possibly because the purists hate the external extractor are Sig and S&W. I have both and they have been fantastic especially the Sig.

Kevin Rohrer 02-13-2020 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigeclipse (Post 13064454)
All,

So I am asking, what model 1911s would you be looking at in the following categories:

1. $400-$700 range
2. $700-$1000 range
3. $1000-$1500 range

1. None
2. None
3. None

I own lots of 1911s, but none that cheap.

RodII 02-13-2020 01:50 PM

If it was me and I had $1500 to spend I would be on the lookout on GunBroker and various gun forums for a used Les Baer Premier II. If you are patient you can find them at this price in like new condition.

Young 02-13-2020 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dddrees (Post 13064456)
$1000-$1500 I would look at a Dan Wesson.

Absolutely this. Hard to beat a Dan Wesson in that price range. Valor or Specialist, depending on the features you prefer.

Good luck!

Chris1971 02-13-2020 05:48 PM

$: Springfield Armory RO
$$: Keep looking
$$$: Used Les Baer

oldjarhead56 02-15-2020 11:53 AM

If you want a top quality hand fitted, all forged steel or aluminum ,I say look at Dan Wesson. I don't know your exact needs, but I needed a good carry 1911 recently, and got a Dan Wesson 1911 Vigil CCO, in .45acp. (9MM IS available) 4.25 inch match grade barrel and match trigger that breaks at about four pounds. Very short reset. 70s grade, with no firing pin block. That is why the trigger is so smooth. Officer size grip, which makes concealment easier. Standard 7 round magazines. I paid $1198 before taxes. That was right at my budget limit. I have owned Colt 1911s, and Springfields. After breaking it in, the pistol is reliable, and super accurate. Has an aluminum frame. Weighs only 28 oz. Has a feed ramp on the barrel, so the rounds never touches the frame. Been carrying a 1911, off and on for forty-two years. The Dan Wesson, is the best, i have owned.

Autonomous 02-15-2020 12:47 PM

I'm not sure hand fitted and Dan Wesson are the same thing.

azguy1911 02-15-2020 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigeclipse (Post 13064454)
All,

1. $400-$700 range (Rock Island)
2. $700-$1000 range (Dan Wesson pre-loved or Kimber new)
3. $1000-$1500 range

(Dan Wesson new)

dakota1911 02-15-2020 04:00 PM

One thing that helps is if you, a friend, or a family member knows what to look for in a used 1911. Then look a cheaper new 1911s as used 1911s and really look them over.

Have not played with a Tisa yet so my fav in the $400-$700 range is RIA and also Ruger. I have had about 7 Ruger SR1911s in my shooty collection and they have been great, but did look them over before I got them. I have also looked at RIAs I did not buy.

In the $700-$1K range I like SA and Colt. I have owned hundreds of Colt 1911s and have been happy with most. The SAs seem pretty well put together for the money. The nice thing is down here Rugers and SAs are often on specials at LGSs.

In the $1K-$1.5K range I still like Colts and SAs but now DW enters the picture and they can be nice.

The real deals are in the used market. I would not touch another Kimber II but got a nice pre II for about $800 from a shooting buddy. Got to field strip it and put about 200 rounds through it before I bought it. Same with a 2015 Colt Gold Cup Trophy. Bought it from another shooty buddy for about $800 and got to field strip it and put about 200 rounds through it before I made the decision to buy it.

Bowdrie 02-15-2020 04:35 PM

It seems that in these types of threads, three brands/models consistently tend to be mentioned;
1, Springfield Defender/Mil-Spec.
2, Springfield Range Officer.
3, Dan Wesson.
And, within that narrow price niche between an RO and Dan Wesson, the Colt Competition Series.


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