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John Joseph 09-06-2019 04:39 PM

Chain saw stuff
 
Some of us use chain saws quite frequently for a variety of chores while others may own a chain saw for emergencies, like when fallen trees block streets and driveways, or entrances to homes or garages.

Assuming one knows how to safely operate a chainsaw, in an emergency situation just owning a chain saw, a can of 2 cycle gas, some bar oil and safety gear (eyes, ears, gloves etc...) is courting frustration.

Chain saws get dull with use and it is a good idea to know how to sharpen the chain, or at least have a spare chain and the knowledge to replace it when it's dull. In an urban environment there are many things out there that can dull a chain rather quickly and that's not going to help when you're trying to clear a post incident evacuation route.

Files with guides aren't expensive and are easy to use.

HarryO45 09-06-2019 06:01 PM

The sharper the blade the safer it is.

John Joseph 09-06-2019 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryO45 (Post 12932872)
The sharper the blade the safer it is.

Right! And chains get dull when you're going through who knows what after a storm. A dull chain can bring work to a standstill---not good!

Timbo3 09-06-2019 07:27 PM

I like to keep at least one new chain, keep the one one the saw sharp but have a new spare just in case. Oh and a spare saw also. I got an old Husky and a new Stihl.

Jacobconroy75 09-06-2019 07:28 PM

I bought a Stihl MSA200 electric setup last year with two batteries. The blade is only 14 inches but I've been using the heck out of it for firewood at camp. Two large batteries will fell, limb, and buck three 9-inch lodgepole. Plenty enough juice for my needs.

The .25 inch chains are only about $20.00, so I keep two new chains in the saw bag. I'll monkey around with sharpening them at home.

USMM guy 09-06-2019 09:42 PM

Chain saws require quite a bit of maintenance.
 
That is if you really are interested in safely producing large amounts of sawn wood. Spare chains, as in you can not have too many of them. You just have to have them. I cut multiple large trees into firewood on an annual basis. You will go through sharp chains almost on a daily basis depending on what you are cutting as well as how much of it you are cutting.

Green hardwood will eat up a good chain pretty quick, dead hardwood not so much. For me anything less than about eight inches in diameter is not even worth fooling with. I feed two wood stoves all winter long and I use quite a bit of wood. I started out with a Stihl 310 saw. Basically a Harry homeowner saw just right for someone that cuts a couple of trees a year for whatever reason.

But when I retired and began cutting a lot more wood. I quickly realized that I needed to upgrade. It became clear to me that I was doing more work than the saw. I bought a professional grade saw, a Stihl 362 to be exact and have never looked back. It is a professional grade saw in all respects. High compression, roller bearings, the whole works. I would not however recommend this saw to anyone as their first saw. A very high degree of respect for what this saw will do is required for any operator. It will cut your leg off before you even know it.

With that said I love my Stihl 362 and may even go to a Stihl 400 series saw if I ever feel the need to buy another one.

A couple of further points to be made. I got away from using Ethanol adulterated fuels years ago. They will just eat up these small engines in very short order. Ethanol free gas has been widely available in VA for a long time, and it has served me well. However I got some of the synthetic Tru fuel a couple of years ago to try and help out an especially recalcitrant weed whacker. And it was like a tune up in a bottle. I have been very pleased with this stuff despite its high cost. I have been using it more and more. Just sayin.

Sistema1927 09-06-2019 09:52 PM

I have spent enough time around really good sawyers to know that it requires the proper safety gear and maintenance to be both safe and effective.

Chaps, gloves, helmets with face shields, hearing protection, are all essential.

Keeping chains sharp is essential.

Having a good spotter is essential.

Knowing what you are doing, and your limitations is essential.

As a result, I leave those duties to folks much more skilled than I.

USMM guy 09-06-2019 10:39 PM

Truer words were never spoken!
 
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Originally Posted by Sistema1927 (Post 12933082)
Knowing what you are doing, and your limitations is essential.

As a result, I leave those duties to folks much more skilled than I.

A lot of talk has gone on here of late concerning the red flag laws. Well as funny as it may sound. I actually had to take away my fathers McCullough Chipmunk chainsaw from him some years ago. I was visiting him and my mother some years ago and a small tree in their yard went down. Well after he determined that Paul Bunyan had nothing on him, he decided to attack that tree with that less than optimal chainsaw even for hobby grade. Probably a good thing. It was not pretty watching this octogenarian working as hard as he could to injure himself. Fortunately he was frustrated in his efforts. That saw went away shortly afterwards.

You need the right tool for the job. And you need to know how to operate it safely. Nuff said!

1911crazy 09-07-2019 07:16 AM

Those bow saws cut really good plus there quiet not to draw attention.

USMM guy 09-07-2019 10:13 AM

Bow saws do in fact work well with a fresh blade.
 
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Originally Posted by 1911crazy (Post 12933300)
Those bow saws cut really good plus there quiet not to draw attention.

Just make certain to have plenty of calories for the engine.

L.E. 09-07-2019 11:18 AM

1) As stated above, ethanol-free gas, most definitely. For all your stuff at home. Mowers, weed eaters, chain saws.

2) Chain saws don't have blades. They have bars and chains. (And before anyone takes me to task for the correction, everything has a proper term. Learn it and use it if you want to sound like you know what you're talking about. :) )

L.E. 09-07-2019 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 1911crazy (Post 12933300)
Those bow saws cut really good plus there quiet not to draw attention.

The sound of labored breathing is louder than you think. ;)

USMM guy 09-07-2019 12:31 PM

If you are really determined to cut a lot of wood.
 
By way of using Norwegian steam. You have to get yourself one of these. They will outperform any bow saw out there. If you know how to use them.


Can not seem to find the picture of two of mine that I was looking for but they are the kind of saws that are sold by this outfit.

https://crosscutsaw.com/

Doctor481 09-07-2019 01:27 PM

My thoughts, if you own a chainsaw you should have the knowledge and tools available to resharpen a chain. I have and use the Dremel type electric sharpener and the correct hand files. I have been known to file a chain during a fuel break.
USMM - I’m running a Stihl 361 since Katrina and pretty happy with it

John Joseph 09-07-2019 09:21 PM

For most urban dwellers, chainsaws are of primary importance for clearing windfall blocking streets, drives, or threatening homes/property.
With my bad back I've found a Stihl MS-250, for me, the best power to weight ratio for occasional work felling and limbing and certainly up to snuff for windfall and storm damage. Our local government banned fires so I don't cut wood any more unless it camping.
Good fuel, maintenence, and sharp chain(s)make it what I consider to be an important piece of kit.

frogfurr 09-07-2019 09:29 PM

I have a MS260 and a MS160. I sharpen the blades with:

https://www.timberlinesharpener.com/

Jacobconroy75 09-07-2019 09:30 PM

Sorry All, I just realized that this was a "Disaster Preparedness" forum. My electric chainsaw post wasn't really relevant.

That being said, it might be easier to recharge an electric saw via solar array in a disaster situation versus hoarding gasoline. Interesting thought.

USMM guy 09-07-2019 10:21 PM

When it comes to cutting wood.
 
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Saws are certainly the go to tool. You need to know how to maintain them, as well as use them safely.

Jacobconroy75 09-07-2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by USMM guy (Post 12934014)
Saws are certainly the go to tool. You need to know how to maintain them, as well as use them safely.

Oh my goodness...that looks like a lot of work!

USMM guy 09-07-2019 11:25 PM

It is.
 
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Originally Posted by Jacobconroy75 (Post 12934016)
Oh my goodness...that looks like a lot of work!

That is why the Stihl 362 sees the most daylight. But it is good to have options.

John Joseph 09-08-2019 09:16 AM

Hand saws are an important part of any tool kit.
There's no denying that.
But this is about after a calamity
when access might be blocked by windfall, and needs to be cleared quickly for emergency vehicles or evacuations.

USMM guy 09-08-2019 11:08 AM

As stated earlier, it is good to have options.
 
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Originally Posted by John Joseph (Post 12934244)
Hand saws are an important part of any tool kit.
There's no denying that.
But this is about after a calamity
when access might be blocked by windfall, and needs to be cleared quickly for emergency vehicles or evacuations.

But generally speaking the Stihl is the first choice, calamity or other wise. Plenty of sharp chains and fuel always on hand. Just picked up another couple of gallons of bar oil the other day.

L.E. 09-08-2019 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John Joseph (Post 12934244)
Hand saws are an important part of any tool kit.
There's no denying that.
But this is about after a calamity
when access might be blocked by windfall, and needs to be cleared quickly for emergency vehicles or evacuations.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be prepared, but in every recent major storm that I've seen here, emergency personnel are very well equipped along these lines. Local fire departments, power company, etc.
If there are trees down that are anywhere involved with the overhead lines, which is probably the most common scenario, the best course of action is to stay completely away from them.
L.

USMM guy 09-08-2019 02:19 PM

This has been my experience as well.
 
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Originally Posted by L.E. (Post 12934558)
I'm not saying that you shouldn't be prepared, but in every recent major storm that I've seen here, emergency personnel are very well equipped along these lines. Local fire departments, power company, etc.
If there are trees down that are anywhere involved with the overhead lines, which is probably the most common scenario, the best course of action is to stay completely away from them.
L.

Saw the emergency guys using one of those Stihl abrasive cut off saws to take apart a guard rail once. The ones with the 14" blade. It cut through that stuff like it has not even there. They can cut concrete also. Have to get one of those puppies. :rock:

1911crazy 09-21-2019 12:46 PM

I collect and repair chainsaws. I had a firewood business for decades.


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