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partsproduction 02-14-2020 11:17 AM

No new guns until dems defeated
 
Maybe not "News" for most, but it makes sense for me and I've decided it's news for me.

I've come to the conclusion that buying new guns is off the table until the democrats have lost the presidency for 2020, the house and the senate.
Why?
1. Because I have more guns than can fit into my safe now. 2. Because at the rate things are going the socialists will end up confiscating them all and destroying them anyway. and 3. Because we HAVE to stop them!

My typical process is to save money until I have enough to buy the next purdy gun I want to own, but various pro-second amendment groups need that money, and the end results are potentially more satisfying than a nice 1916 P08 or a new 1911 assembly kit.
As a lifetime NRA member I honestly feel they have let us down too many times, because someone should have screamed bloody murder in 1967-'68, but CGA 68 got past the NRA, as did the 80's AWB. I don't want to go on against the NRA because someday they too will understand that far too much "Negotiation" has gotten the camel's nose under the tent.

My money is going to The Firearms Policy Coalition. My next gun, that money! And maybe I'll send half to Gun Owners of America. This should be far more effective than preaching to the choir, or should I say sobbing to the choir? I've been pouring cash into the re-election of President Donald Trump from household funds, because if the nutcases get the presidency our lives will scarcely be worth living.

I hope also to inspire others to sacrifice while a sacrifice has a chance to help keep our Constitution.

tenntucker 02-14-2020 12:22 PM

It's a dilemma for sure. I, for one, will never surrender any gun to anyone. But that's just me.

341 02-14-2020 06:01 PM

To even think about complying with any of the new anti-gun laws is silly. There is no way I will comply.
Troy341

Plantar5 02-14-2020 06:30 PM

I’ve been down the road of giving up what was mine via a greedy X wife and bad divorce.

I’m done giving things up or turning things in. That doesn’t mean being stupid or foolish.
Without any details, I can tell you, until we stand our ground and send the message over and over, that We Will Not Comply with anymore nonsensical unconstitutional anti gun laws, the Left will continue to grab whatever they can, just like a greedy Xwife.

M Yaworski 02-14-2020 06:41 PM

Prison time is not on my bucket list and I'm sure that they'd want to make an example out of a middle class white guy.

Pitched gun battles with the gun collection squad will not be good for the cause of gun rights. People won't say, "Lookit, the gun guy were right. Confiscation is happening," instead they'll say, "The anti-gun people were right, gun people are crazy!"

USMM guy 02-14-2020 06:41 PM

I give plenty of money to the NRA.
 
Additionally I give money to the VCDL, and Judicial watch. The purchase of a new gun here and there does not affect my rate of contributions. For the most part the people that I purchase guns from, they do the same.

Col. Colt 02-14-2020 11:22 PM

M Yaworski, so you're just turning your guns in and taking up stamp collecting - or knitting - instead? What are you doing here?

When it gets to actual confiscation, the other side has at that point declared War on the Constitution and the Rights of Man and is no longer a legal government under Constitutional Authority - each participant in the confiscation is violating his Oath of Office and is acting illegally - no matter what laws they pass, nothing trumps the Constitution, period. This is never about controlling Crime - it's about Controlling American Citizens "for their own protection". Right. Ask yourself, at what point would you be willing to stand up and say something?

With your attitude, the Founders would have never founded anything - they would have meekly surrendered to the mighty British Crown - and Freedom - here and in the rest of the World - would have never happened. Kings and Emperors would still rule, everywhere.

The Second Amendment is the "Reset Button" on the Constitution - the Founders understood that, fully. If tyrants seriously reach for that Right with concrete Action, they are only doing that so they can take all the other Rights, too.

Remember your history? Lexington and Concord happened precisely because the King sent his soldiers to take the guns of English Citizens. EXACTLY the same scenario. You do realize that there are many MILLIONS more gun owners than government enforcers to take them on, right? Tyranny can only win if we let it. But it takes the will to resist - peacefully through voting is my preferred method, but what if that is not enough? Just give up on Freedom? We must all consider this carefully - it will affect everything. Once lost, Freedom takes blood to regain.

When the Government has decided to use Force on citizens that will not comply with an unconstitutional Law they are no longer acting within The Law - they are outside of it.
When that happens a Public Relations Campaign will no longer be relevant - it will be war. Votes won't matter any more (some say they don't, now). Winning or losing will be the result of using raw Force to settle the issue.


The choice we each face is, do you want to die on your feet, or slowly, on your knees? Does Freedom end so you can watch Football in peace and turn your head the other way as Evil takes over and rounds up the real Patriots? These are the Questions we all have to ask - and answer - for ourselves and our posterity. And it appears, for now, that decision time is going to be forced upon us - unless we get busy and educate our fellow citizens. CC

shooter59 02-14-2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Colt (Post 13068402)
M Yaworski, so you're just turning your guns in and taking up stamp collecting - or knitting - instead? What are you doing here?

When it gets to actual confiscation, the other side has at that point declared War on the Constitution and the Rights of Man and is no longer a legal government under Constitutional Authority - each participant in the confiscation is violating his Oath of Office and is acting illegally - no matter what laws they pass, nothing trumps the Constitution, period. This is never about controlling Crime - it's about Controlling American Citizens "for their own protection". Right. Ask yourself, at what point would you be willing to stand up and say something?

With your attitude, the Founders would have never founded anything - they would have meekly surrendered to the mighty British Crown - and Freedom - here and in the rest of the World - would have never happened. Kings and Emperors would still rule, everywhere.

The Second Amendment is the "Reset Button" on the Constitution - the Founders understood that, fully. If tyrants seriously reach for that Right with concrete Action, they are only doing that so they can take all the other Rights, too.

Remember your history? Lexington and Concord happened precisely because the King sent his soldiers to take the guns of English Citizens. EXACTLY the same scenario. You do realize that there are many MILLIONS more gun owners than government enforcers to take them on, right? Tyranny can only win if we let it. But it takes the will to resist - peacefully through voting is my preferred method, but what if that is not enough? Just give up on Freedom? We must all consider this carefully - it will affect everything. Once lost, Freedom takes blood to regain.

When the Government has decided to use Force on citizens that will not comply with an unconstitutional Law they are no longer acting within The Law - they are outside of it.
When that happens a Public Relations Campaign will no longer be relevant - it will be war. Votes won't matter any more (some say they don't, now). Winning or losing will be the result of using raw Force to settle the issue.


The choice we each face is, do you want to die on your feet, or slowly, on your knees? Does Freedom end so you can watch Football in peace and turn your head the other way as Evil takes over and rounds up the real Patriots? These are the Questions we all have to ask - and answer - for ourselves and our posterity. And it appears, for now, that decision time is going to be forced upon us - unless we get busy and educate our fellow citizens. CC

CC, I don’t often agree with your posts, but I have to say.......excellent post! Very well said, perfectly in fact, in my opinion.

LW McVay 02-15-2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by M Yaworski (Post 13068164)
Prison time is not on my bucket list and I'm sure that they'd want to make an example out of a middle class white guy.

Pitched gun battles with the gun collection squad will not be good for the cause of gun rights. People won't say, "Lookit, the gun guy were right. Confiscation is happening," instead they'll say, "The anti-gun people were right, gun people are crazy!"

Well, turn your stuff in bro. Why wait?

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ~ Sam Adams

filthy phil 02-15-2020 04:48 AM

re: nra- the 2% insider home loans did it for me

FNHipowerluv 02-15-2020 07:51 AM

After seeing the video of the Bernie Sanders staffer speaking highly of gulags, I'm not giving up anything.

If a leftist ever gets power, they will be out for blood. The American people hurt them greatly in 2016. They are going out of their way to demonize and attack anyone who doesn't support thier agenda.

They attack white Christian males through various forms propaganda in a way similar to the various anti-semitic films the Germans made in the '30s. The identity politics trend only divides people further, and helps normalize the concept of persecuting certain demographics that aren't useful to the leftist agenda. They want a disarmed populace for a reason.

I would suggest getting plenty of ammo, a few magazines, some non-perishable food and maybe some body armor (God forbid it gets bad enough for that to be a necessity).

wccountryboy 02-15-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Col. Colt (Post 13068402)
M Yaworski, so you're just turning your guns in and taking up stamp collecting - or knitting - instead? What are you doing here?

When it gets to actual confiscation, the other side has at that point declared War on the Constitution and the Rights of Man and is no longer a legal government under Constitutional Authority - each participant in the confiscation is violating his Oath of Office and is acting illegally - no matter what laws they pass, nothing trumps the Constitution, period. This is never about controlling Crime - it's about Controlling American Citizens "for their own protection". Right. Ask yourself, at what point would you be willing to stand up and say something?

With your attitude, the Founders would have never founded anything - they would have meekly surrendered to the mighty British Crown - and Freedom - here and in the rest of the World - would have never happened. Kings and Emperors would still rule, everywhere.

The Second Amendment is the "Reset Button" on the Constitution - the Founders understood that, fully. If tyrants seriously reach for that Right with concrete Action, they are only doing that so they can take all the other Rights, too.

Remember your history? Lexington and Concord happened precisely because the King sent his soldiers to take the guns of English Citizens. EXACTLY the same scenario. You do realize that there are many MILLIONS more gun owners than government enforcers to take them on, right? Tyranny can only win if we let it. But it takes the will to resist - peacefully through voting is my preferred method, but what if that is not enough? Just give up on Freedom? We must all consider this carefully - it will affect everything. Once lost, Freedom takes blood to regain.

When the Government has decided to use Force on citizens that will not comply with an unconstitutional Law they are no longer acting within The Law - they are outside of it.
When that happens a Public Relations Campaign will no longer be relevant - it will be war. Votes won't matter any more (some say they don't, now). Winning or losing will be the result of using raw Force to settle the issue.


The choice we each face is, do you want to die on your feet, or slowly, on your knees? Does Freedom end so you can watch Football in peace and turn your head the other way as Evil takes over and rounds up the real Patriots? These are the Questions we all have to ask - and answer - for ourselves and our posterity. And it appears, for now, that decision time is going to be forced upon us - unless we get busy and educate our fellow citizens. CC

Good post.... however, we have people, members here, who talk the talk- and are, and have been, "dying slowly on their knees" for decades....

I have little faith in Americans being willing to stand up and actually fight. If people won't vote with their feet (once the fight is wholly lost) for money, or comfort, or family ties, why would we expect them to actually put these in harm's way....?

LW McVay 02-15-2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FNHipowerluv (Post 13068558)
After seeing the video of the Bernie Sanders speaking highly of gulags, I'm not giving up anything.

If a leftist ever gets power, they will be out for blood. The American people hurt them greatly in 2016. They are going out of their way to demonize and attack anyone who doesn't support thier agenda.

They attack white Christian males through various forms propaganda in a way similar to the various anti-semitic films the Germans made in the '30s. The identity politics trend only divides people further, and helps normalize the concept of persecuting certain demographics that aren't useful to the leftist agenda. They want a disarmed populace for a reason.

I would suggest getting plenty of ammo, a few magazines, some non-perishable food and maybe some body armor (God forbid it gets bad enough for that to be a necessity).

Yes. They will gladly and merrily put you on your knees and put a bullet in the back of your head. But there is a caveat to that.

And put your family in a reeducation center to get their minds right. Or stuff them into ovens.

A lot of Americans will go along with this for one reason or another. Some obviously, will not. This is just the way it is.

But we all get to pick our sides. Make your decision now. If it's the one side, do nothing as you are ready for the outcome. If you choose the other side, know it will be a struggle. A righteous struggle. Prepare. Mind, body, soul, material...prepare. Quietly network. Prepare. Know the enemy will try mightily to overwhelm you with fear. Gird your loins and fear not.

Oh sure, we will always have the naysayers. The doom and gloomers. The defeatists. Meh. So what? They've lived their lives off sloppy seconds. They will never change.

The caveat? Bullets go both ways. Fear is a double edged sword.

Vos Parate 02-15-2020 09:22 AM

I’m reading “Enemies, Foreign and Domestic” by Matthew Bracken. A little insight into the demented minds of liberal retard fascists.

M Yaworski 02-15-2020 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Colt (Post 13068402)
. . .

Thank you for volunteering for prison or summary execution.

There may be millions of gun owners but the plan won't be to imprison the leaders because that creates martyrs. They'll grab regular joes, like me, imprison them, make their families homeless and that will discourage others.

Most of the cops who say, "I won't enforce the law" will be kicking in doors and shooting "resistors." They won't want to lose their job and benefits because they'll have this irrational desire to feed their families.

National Guard? Army? Same thing.

I won't make any heroic claims at this point because I don't know what will be happening.

shooter59 02-15-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M Yaworski (Post 13069026)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Col. Colt (Post 13068402)
. . .

Thank you for volunteering for prison or summary execution.

There may be millions of gun owners but the plan won't be to imprison the leaders because that creates martyrs. They'll grab regular joes, like me, imprison them, make their families homeless and that will discourage others.

Most of the cops who say, "I won't enforce the law" will be kicking in doors and shooting "resistors." They won't want to lose their job and benefits because they'll have this irrational desire to feed their families.

National Guard? Army? Same thing.

I won't make any heroic claims at this point because I don't know what will be happening.

Your entire post is just silly.....

LW McVay 02-15-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by M Yaworski (Post 13069026)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Col. Colt (Post 13068402)
. . .

Thank you for volunteering for prison or summary execution.

There may be millions of gun owners but the plan won't be to imprison the leaders because that creates martyrs. They'll grab regular joes, like me, imprison them, make their families homeless and that will discourage others.

Most of the cops who say, "I won't enforce the law" will be kicking in doors and shooting "resistors." They won't want to lose their job and benefits because they'll have this irrational desire to feed their families.

National Guard? Army? Same thing.

I won't make any heroic claims at this point because I don't know what will be happening.

Bullcrap.

scubadad 02-15-2020 05:40 PM

Support and DEFEND the constitution. I seem to remember hearing and speaking those words.

DONATE AND VOTE OR SHUT THE F UP.

M Yaworski 02-15-2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LW McVay (Post 13069044)
Bullcrap.

Bullcrap that cops won't be worried about keeping their jobs? Sure. Imagine the conversations at home

Honey, I quit today.
Why?
I didn't want arrest people who are breaking the new anti-gun laws.
Oh. How are we going to pay the mortgage? What about Johnny's asthma medicine? Bobby's tuition?
I heard that Wal-Mart's hiring security guards
Oh boy. $10 a hour. GTFO, I'll get more than that as a single mom.

M Yaworski 02-15-2020 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shooter59 (Post 13069030)
Your entire post is just silly.....

They said that Galileo was silly too.

wccountryboy 02-15-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LW McVay (Post 13069044)
Bullcrap.

Why is this "bullcrap"? History has demonstrated otherwise... NOLA, 2005: those LEOs that didn't abandon their duties and flee didn't balk for a second to seize guns from the citizenry. .
Its easy to idolize people because of their profession, to think of them as somehow noble and ethically above reproach. The reality is that they're just people, subject to all humam weakness, and the very normal desire to take care of oneself and ones own.

We have members here who are "stuck" in 2A restrictive States- because they're unwilling to forfeit a comfortable job or lifestyle. Why should we expect government employees to be any different- willing to sacrifice their livelihoods and families for YOUR guns...?

And before the lectures about personal sacrifice for duty even starts- I understand it far better than most here, I've lived it for 30 years.

wccountryboy 02-15-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scubadad (Post 13069052)
Support and DEFEND the constitution. I seem to remember hearing and speaking those words.

There's Federal and SCOTUS judges that disagree with you ( and myself) on what the 2A means.
Spoiler alert: there are LEOs and soldiers that disagree with you (and myself) on what the 2A means.

What theses people would do will most likely vary from place to place, and organization to organization. It will be top down driven, based on the stance of the organizational leaders.

LW McVay 02-15-2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by M Yaworski (Post 13069076)
Quote:

Originally Posted by LW McVay (Post 13069044)
Bullcrap.

Bullcrap that cops won't be worried about keeping their jobs? Sure. Imagine the conversations at home

Honey, I quit today.
Why?
I didn't want arrest people who are breaking the new anti-gun laws.
Oh. How are we going to pay the mortgage? What about Johnny's asthma medicine? Bobby's tuition?
I heard that Wal-Mart's hiring security guards
Oh boy. $10 a hour. GTFO, I'll get more than that as a single mom.

Yep, bullcrap.

M Yaworski 02-15-2020 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LW McVay (Post 13069108)
Yep, bullcrap.

Keep telling yourself that.

liggett 02-15-2020 07:03 PM

Well, I'm 69 with no kids. the Wife's 62 and her kids and grandkids are all grown. Don't come knocking or kicking down our door at 3 AM. We won't be the only ones hurt or killed.


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