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Missouri couple defends home from mob of ‘protestors’

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Good for them, at least they are standing up when the Police and Politicians bend a knee to the animals...

Just a few areas for improvement: The wife needs something more substantial than that pea shooter (things could get ugly very fast with all those animals there), he should get her trained with an AR or a SG with the lower power loads (or he can use the SG and her the AR, at any rate that pistol is better than nothing but not too great for SD against a mob). Federal makes a nice "low-power" load like that which they say is for LEO's.

Next time they might want to figure out a way to have some cover. Standing out there all exposed, they make great targets. According to the interview, at least one person in the mob had a gun.

But good for them, reminds me of the Korean's with their ARs defending their businesses in LA during the Rodney-Riots. Most of them were on their roofs though which gave them a degree of "cover".

Excellent interview...It is about intimidation from the Marxist mob, and as always has been in history, the only thing which protects you and your family from the Mob is a firearm.
 
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Good for them, at least they are standing up when the Police and Politicians bend a knee to the animals...
If I am reading the linked report correctly, the protestors were there in response to publication of the McCroskey's support of defunding the police. Not all protestors these days are anarchists. Locally were had something like a thousand march in support of the local police.
 
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If I was white and I lived on Kingshighway in St. Louis I would be "genuinely frightened" too. I grew up in St. Louis in the 60s and there were isolated bad areas back then. There are a LOT more bad areas today. If those people have any sense at all they would move out of there. I used to ride my bicycle through Ferguson. I wouldn't do that today.
 
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Schadenfreude is all over this story big time. A couple of " lefty Lawyers " and Bernie supporters who support the BLM protests get their hackles all up when protesters come to visit.. They have been involved with legal cases against the police but have no problem grabbing a AR and calling 911 when the lefty crowds get a bit too close.. They probably cheered on the riots that were happening across the country. They better sleep with one eye open because the leftist will eat their own. :eek:
 
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Schadenfreude is all over this story big time. A couple of " lefty Lawyers " and Bernie supporters who support the BLM protests get their hackles all up when protesters come to visit.. They have been involved with legal cases against the police but have no problem grabbing a AR and calling 911 when the lefty crowds get a bit too close.. They probably cheered on the riots that were happening across the country. They better sleep with one eye open because the leftist will eat their own.
It's funny the first thing that came to mind after seeing how the lady handles the pistol is "These must be liberals who are new to guns and just bought them during the recent panic buying". XD
 
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It looks to me like her finger was on the trigger when not ready to shoot (3rd rule of gun safety)

Also looks like she swept her husband AND that the guns may have been pointed at the protesters.

I think that this couple should have been at the Low Ready, Fingers off trigger, from cover.

Once their being armed & ready was made apparent.
 
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Drail - I'm also from St. Louis. I went to high school up on north Kingshighway in the late 60's. Back then, anything north of Lindell was bad. Junkies on the street and in the alleys, muggings, bars on all the store windows. Cars with black power flags on the antenna, dudes in black berets and jump boots. I don't think it's any better now.
 
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Looks like some DA or something (just got this on fox, not sure of the Black-Women's title) is considering charging the Homeowners...She says they put the "PEACEFUL-protesters" at risk and that it is a race thing...This is comical on its face of course.

To wit:

This Civil Right lawyer now knows the mob will always eat their own if it is convenient for them.

Because the Lawyer is white, he is intrinsically fair-game to be called and accused of being a racist.

I have no problem with this guy being a civil rights lawyer, there are times when they are truly needed, and it sounds like he is not a kool-aid drinker, he recognizes the threat the Marxist-Mob bring's to this county.

Moreover, I support him and his defense. We have to stand together to fight the True-Racist, who's every thought, action, and deed is race baiting. Only a True Racist think's in terms of skin-color 24X7. These people live and die with their despicable accusations and as far as they are concerned we are all fair-game targets if we don't bend a knee to them, and the Marxist-Mob-conglomerate.

It sounds like this lawyer is a fighter, so I believe he will be ok. He must prevail, because if he gets charged it sets an awful precedent for any of us if we are ever called to defend ourselves from the Mob or anyone else for that matter...

The rule of law is teetering on the edge of a knife. Stay strong!
 
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Mark McCloskey is one of the richest lawyers in the State yet he chooses to live off of Kingshighway? He may be a great attorney but he ain't real bright. Maybe he and his wife could find a nice mansion in East St. Louis. It has always amused me that people really believe they are somehow "safe" living in a gated community. This is proof that a gate will not protect you.
 
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Yea, does sound like he is a very effective lawyer, maybe after this we can flip him (or at least get him to do it part-time) to specialize in 2A rights, and the rights of SD...Sometimes life changing events can cause an individual to re-purpose themselves.
 
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I usually don't watch the TV show called "The View."
However I accidentally saw segment when the show's
spokesmen (women) were talking about this incident.

One of them was quite concerned that the man and
his wife were not arrested for "brandishing" weapons.
They argued the protesters had the right to be where
they were and the husband and wife were in the wrong.

I could not stand it any longer and turned to another
channel. The liberal mindset makes me sick!
 
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That show is the epitome of a stupid commie think tank. Once upon a time I liked Whoopie Goldberg for her acting skills. Once she started appearing on that show with her commie talk... I couldn't stand to see or hear her anymore, not to mention the other daffy females on that show.
 
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In case this wasn't posted...The short snide smirks the 2 lawyers made about POTUS aside, the Homeowner and his Lawyer did a fine job beating Fredo down. Fredo is beyond demented.

https://youtu.be/9yuHKYCcvmQ
 
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Yeah, but also bear in mind they are lawyers. About 99% of them make the other 1% look bad. Their training and inclination is to win cases, and sometimes truth gets stretched, misplaced or abandoned. So the comments about POTUS and being on board with BLM may just as well be cover, to get heat off the McCloskeys from the insane Leftards. Can't blame 'em for that.

Fredo did take a whuppin'. Good to see. Whatever else those lawyers my or may not be, they are sharp.
 
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I believe this couple called the police several times and was finally told to ''abandon your home now, get out while you can''.

How many of you home owners would take this piss poor advice and turn your home, your private residence you've worked hard for and take care of over to a mob of crazy radical protesters to occupy at their own free will? Only someone who's out of their mind would. I know I never would.

I wonder when this same ''entitled'' group will be back to visit this couple...
 
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This was the info I obtained on the Tucker Carlson show the other night on FOX. Probably explains why he was so fierce in defending his home and not running away to give in to the protesters. Sure, it could be a wharf dumpster.

How many times have a 911 dispatcher given bad advice to a situation? Perhaps add one more?...
 
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Quite the contrary wcc. You’ve referred to the homeowners as idiots and said they committed a felony in prior posts. You ask for links and proof while providing none yourself.
Fact is, no charges have been brought (yet), by the bigoted liberal female prosecutor.
If theres any such call as I said earlier to LE or 911, and there was no response, forget the “abandon your house” for the moment, that would be supporting proof that the owners did nothing wrong given all the circumstances.
 
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I'm suggesting certain things did not occur- however, th prove a negative action is fundamentally not possible... you want proof that something DIDN'T happen.
You suggest that certain things DID occur.... proving a positive action IS possible. The mob "charged the house". The mob "was armed". The mob was on the homeowners privately owned property...

I don't see any "reasonable fear". One who is afraid doesn't leave the safety of a structure. One who is afraid doesn't deliberately close the distance with an "armed" mob when significantly outnumbered.

Yes, I've said they were idiots for leaving the (relative) safety of their house- with walls and doors. Pointing a gun at someone unlawfully IS a felony in most jurisdictions.
 
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Here's why I said the alleged dispatcher quote is as fishy as a wharf dumpster:

It's HIGHLY questionable that this happened because of what "abandoning the house" would mean on a practical level.

That would mean that dispatch was recommending the owners take VERY dangerous actions that could easily result in injury, to them and/or the protesters:

1. Leaving the safety of their home. If you know police at all, you know that are NOT going to suggest they go outside, in a situation of this kind.

2. And recommending they go approaching , or DRIVING, through the ranks of the protesters? No way. I'm not buying that one bit.

If I called the cops to report that I had a frightening mob gathering outside my home here's what they would UNDOUBTEDLY say to me:

"Lock your doors, stay inside, and wait for officers to arrive"

That's the kind of stuff they say. Not some crazy suggestion that they go out there on foot or create another Run-Over-The-Crowd situation.

THAT'S why this alleged abandonment recommendation stinks like Laotian Fish Sauce.
 
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MM. I agree. Short of, “we’ll be right over” etc, I doubt it. The husband’s interview said nothing about calling anyone LE/911. Doesn’t mean he did or didn’t technically, but one would think he’d mention it in his interview. If anything is going to prevent these 2 from jail it will be the fact that, the mob WAS trespassing, in a private gated neighborhood, was warned and didnt leave.
If they document a call, regardless of what it says, thats a plus also.
 
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Well, if charges are filed on them for pointing firearms at the poor protesters, then they damn well better file the same charges on the Seattle CHOP thugs that were pointing firearms at business owners that reported seeing red laser dots on their chest in the blocks they occupied.

But our lame-ass socialist AG Bob Ferguson has been very quiet and too busy sitting on his hands over these incidents. He would probably claim he's unaware that it even happened.
 
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They probably should- but won't. Its Seattle. Regardless, these are 2 different events, in different States, 1000 miles apart.... what happens (or doesn't) in SEA has no relevance to what happens in STL.
 
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Just watched a new Badge-Cam vid on Active Self Protection.

Dude is armed with a big knife. He's using this to rob various people on the street.

So two cops show up & give chase, on foot. Eventually the creep tires out & turns on the female officer, charging with his knife.

She tazes him --------- this has no effect. It was a miss, or his hoodie (crim uniform) defeats the darts.

With mere feet to spare the other officer stops him with 3 shots. Bangbangbang.

The part that matters for this conversation is what happens afterwards. People, who did not witness the event, show up to berate the police for the shooting.

Regardless of the 100% justified, & necessary, nature of the shoot.

They just went straight to anger & accusation.

How many of them will call to apologize when they see the video? My guess: None.
 
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I don't consider the homeowners statments "credible" without some corroborating information. Generally, I don't consider anything thats single sourced to be credible- moreso when that source is a PI attorney who maniulates and twists really for a living, has a history of pulling guns on people, AND is trying to justify his actions in the media. He has a vested interest in covering his own 4th point of contact- not truth.

Again, there's no EVIDENCE to support his claims.

I could tell you I'm the King of Arabia- it doesn't make it remotely true.

People in "fear" don't voluntarily remove themselves from cover and concealment against 50:1 odds. People in "fear" don't deliberately give up the safety of space by intentionally closing the distance with an adversary. Their actions, as evidenced by the full video, do not support their claim....

There are also 2 very different types of private property involved in this event.... not that trespass alone, of any sort, warrants the threat of deadly force.
 
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I haven’t heard or seen any evidence to refute the guys claim, PIP lawyer or not.
Trust me, I’m no PIP Atty fan.
Interesting, that no one from the peaceful protesters came forward to file a complaint or charges except for the bigoted prosecutor who wants to but has not.

The constitutional Atty video and their castle doctrine law Is worthless also, i suppose.
 
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I think there's a difference between ones personal private property and community owned private property... it would appear that MO castle doctrine does extend beyond the walls- but does it extend to collective property that you do not hold title to?

I also don't believe, based on what can be seen, that the threat of deadly force was justified. The mob stayed well back from the house, on the street and sidewalk. The homeowners CLOSED that distance, while pointing weapons at people. Thats not fear, thats aggressiveness. People in fear would stay behind those very robust, stone clad walls. Someone in fear of an "armed" adversary would have that rifle pointed at that threat, not at the crowd in general....
Their actions do not support their (prepared and rehearsed, a week after the fact) public statments....

On what do you base your claim that the prosecutor is "bigoted"? Because she disapproves of their actions?

To be quite clear, I agree that the mob was trespassing, but not on any individuals property. They should be identified, arrested, and charged.
 
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Here's a summary of MO castle doctrine:

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/missouri-law/missouri-self-defense-laws.html

Its ambiguous at best when it comes to solely defending property. It seems to contain a requirement of "reasonable fear"- something that their actions don't seem to support.

Based on this, it seems the law professor was overly simplistic in his explainnation.
 
#63 ·
I posted the castle doctrine for you to read the other day...

Seemed pretty simple and not that ambiguous.

100 + people crashing your private neighborhood ignoring your request to leave shouting theyre going to kill you and your dog ( homeowner’s claim) and burn your home down pretty strongly constitutes reasonable fear imho.
 
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