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Old 02-13-2004, 01:25 PM
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SHOT Show Pics... S&W PC 1911 & SC 1911




For fellas who are interested......
Here is a pic of Smith & Wesson Performance Center 1911 from SHOT show
http://www.custom-glock.com/mattksho...s/Image26.html
MSRP: $1072.00

and a pic of Smith & Wesson Scandium Commander
http://www.custom-glock.com/mattksho...s/Image27.html
MSRP: $1029.00
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Old 02-13-2004, 01:58 PM
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Nice pics, though the rollmark on the 1911 Sc is just plain nasty. Are you planning to head by other booths?


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Old 02-13-2004, 02:10 PM
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You'd think that the Performance Center would at least go to the effort to acquire (or make) some grips to match that magwell contour! Sure is unsightly in that configuration.

The mega-huge-visible-from-space SW1911 rollmark is just hideous. Oh well . . .
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Old 02-13-2004, 02:27 PM
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I think the SC in real 4.25" bushing barrel Commander style is a big plus over the undersprung bull barrel Kimbers, etc.

I wonder if the PC is to have upgraded parts and fitting or if it is just a matter of bell and whistle "features" like an adjustable sight and mag well.

I don't like any of that series' billboard slide markings.
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Old 02-13-2004, 02:33 PM
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Isnt the roll marks more for the 'free advertising' at the SHOT show than actaully a production example?

I would love to get to the show one year
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Old 02-13-2004, 03:07 PM
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Isnt the roll marks more for the 'free advertising' at the SHOT show than actaully a production example?
That's what people said about the equally huge & nearly as ugly markings on the original "SW1911" guns. Guess what? They are still there.

The scandium commander is a great idea, though. Addresses the one problem with the alloy commanders: the weakness of the frame.

And I do like how the Performance Center 1911 has nice, tastefull roll marks instead of huge ugly markings like their other 1911-type guns. Why not make ALL your 1911s with those kind of classy markings? Hell, even COLT was smart enough to quit stamping dates in huge letters on their 01991 series guns...

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Old 02-13-2004, 03:16 PM
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The rear sight, beavertail and thumb safety all look like Wilson parts.
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Old 02-13-2004, 03:19 PM
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I have two of the production models [cons. ser. nos.] and have never found the roll marks, front serrations, or style of grips to affect the reliability or accuracy; both of which have been exceptional. I love 'em.
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Old 02-13-2004, 04:17 PM
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I wonder if the PC is to have upgraded parts and fitting or if it is just a matter of bell and whistle "features" like an adjustable sight and mag well.
I stole these info from a post at THR

"Model SW1911Sc - A lightweight, easy to carry and conceal 1911 with a 4-1/4-inch barrel in the true "commander" style. Most after-market "commander" add-ons fit this gun. Other features include Cocobolo wood grips, a grooved front strap and an external extractor for functional reliability. For those looking for the time tested reliability of the .45 ACP in a lightweight carry gun is the lightest weight 1911 designed. This Scandium Alloy frame performer weighs in at only 28.4 ounces. $1,029.00 MSRP.

Model SW1911 - Adjustable Target Sight - The first of two new 1911's from S&W for 2004. The new adjustable target sight SW1911 incorporates all of the features of the SW1911 introduced last year with the addition of a target configured, micro-click adjustable rear sight. The gun also features enhanced slide to frame fit, an ambidextrous safety lever, an ergonomically improved grip safety, 20 line per inch checkering on the front strap and Cocobolo wood grips. $1,049.00 MSRP.

Performance Center Model 1911 - High quality custom 1911 in blackened matte stainless steel. Features include an adjustable target rear sight, external oversized extractor, magazine well extension, 30 LPI front strap checkering, unique slide serrations, a firing pin block safety system independent of trigger pull, match barrel, fully checkered wine colored laminate grips, an ambidextrous manual safety and a Performance Center gun rug. All critical slide/frame/barrel relationships have been hand lapped to produce a tight, smooth and reliably functioning pistol. $1,072.00 MSRP"
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Old 02-13-2004, 04:18 PM
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Hmmmm Those cocking serrations on the performance center gun look an awful lot like the "wave" treatment that Dane Burns offers. Their other performance center 945 used the snake skin treatment that Marc Krebs came up with. Maybe some day the Performance center will generate an original idea for themselves!

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Old 02-13-2004, 04:20 PM
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I have two of the production models [cons. ser. nos.] and have never found the roll marks, front serrations, or style of grips to affect the reliability or accuracy; both of which have been exceptional. I love 'em.
Good for you. Have a cookie.

But that doesn't make S&W any less stupid for making their guns willfully ugly. Look how much Colt's 01991-series sales perked up when they just got rid of the huge, ugly "M1991A1TM" rollstamp and gave the guns a decent polish. Even Valtro realized that stamping the date on the slide in HUGE letters was a marketing gaffe, & reverted to smaller letters.
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Old 02-13-2004, 06:02 PM
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I also have a SW1911 and I thought the Roll marks would bother me but they kind of grew on me and dont bother me at all. Especially since the guns shoots rings around my friends Kimbers.
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Old 02-13-2004, 06:57 PM
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Sc Commander

I'm sort of commander shopping. I was hoping the new S&W might be it, maybe no serrations and a smaller rollmark. No such luck. I can get around either of those, but MUST they use the ugly trigger with the two roll-pin looking holes in it? Does anyone LIKE that trigger? I'd rather have the CMC looking one on the PC gun.
One thing I've learned on this forum-there is a broad range of "tastes" out there. Serrations, no serrations, rollmarks, grips, safties, safety systems...enough to keep the makers guessing and forumites discussing (or arguing ).
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Old 02-13-2004, 07:08 PM
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As nice as the SC Commander looks to me, i'm a sucker for 5" 1911's. I wouldn't have 5 of them otherwise, but anyway, that PC 1911 looks real tempting. If this 1911 lives up to the PC's recent reputation, they may put some higher end makers to shame even at full MSRP. Would sure like to see one in person.

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Old 02-13-2004, 07:25 PM
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Nice job on the pics. Thanks for posting!
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Old 02-13-2004, 08:04 PM
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nice pics, reminds me when I first saw a Charles Daly .45, with big white letters, in a gun mag, didn't believe that would be on their handguns for sale.
roll marks should be small, ugly when they STARE at you!

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Old 02-13-2004, 09:05 PM
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nice pics, reminds me when I first saw a Charles Daly .45, with big white letters, in a gun mag, didn't believe that would be on their handguns for sale.
roll marks should be small, ugly when they STARE at you!


Dont really care about roll marks since they dont bother the function of the gun.. but to each is own
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Old 02-13-2004, 11:20 PM
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MIM hammers?! Come on S&W, you put forged fire control parts in your PC revolvers, don't the autos deserve the same?

And what's with the blocky frontstrap on the Sc gun?
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Old 02-14-2004, 02:30 AM
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Man, I am so dissappointed with the Scandium Commander; hate the gaudy slide markings and the forward slide serrations, just ruins a nice concept.
This was gonna be on my must have list, but it's off till they offer one w/o that crap.
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Old 02-14-2004, 10:03 AM
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Those slide serrations on the commander SC seems so wide that one more inch and the whole left side of the slide would have serrated! Maybe that will be the new trend, serrate the whole darn thing. yuck I say
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Old 02-14-2004, 11:00 AM
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not to mention the blocky front grip strap on the SC, I hate those style frames!
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Old 02-14-2004, 02:15 PM
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[QUOTE]Even Valtro realized that stamping the date on the slide in HUGE letters was a marketing gaffe, & reverted to smaller letters.[/QUOTE

When'd that happen? Haven't seen it. Intriguing...
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Old 02-14-2004, 05:41 PM
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New Valtro rollmark...
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Old 02-14-2004, 11:36 PM
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I agree that the Sc needs no front serrations and the roll mark is ugly. Maybe it would not be too bad if they lost that nuclear looking scandium symbol in the front. I am still going to buy it. Now the one that really interests me is the PC pistol. And it's $23 more than the target model? And smaller roll mark? Matte stainless? Damn it! Now I gotta buy two!
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Old 02-15-2004, 09:28 AM
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All is not lost... you could cover the sides of the slide with skateboard tape and hide that ugly billboard.
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