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Old 09-04-2001, 07:55 PM
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Colt make a 1991A1 with a commander slide and officers grip?




I also wonder if they make any alloy framed .45's (besides defender).I went to their websight and can't even order a damn catalog.I realize they're low on funds,but getting info out on whats available/advertising seems like it ought to be one of their main priorities.Otherwise how in the heck is anyone supposed to know if these guys sell anything other than T-shirts and beltbuckles anymore?

VERY frustrating!
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Old 09-04-2001, 08:32 PM
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I dont think Colt currently manufactures the weapon you describe. They made what is known as a Concealed Carry Officers (a.k.a. CCO) perhaps two or three years ago. As I understand it, they have the Commander length slide and Officers length grip, and also, I believe the the frame is alloy. I'm sure someone else will come along and either confirm or deny.
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Old 09-04-2001, 09:57 PM
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Currently, the C.C.O. package is not being offered, but if you look around, you can find them.

Also, they are offering an XSE Lightweight Commander, but again, these are sometimes hard to find, and are built in run's, so if none are in with any distributers currently, don't fret, they should be soon...

Your local dealer is the best resource for getting something from the regional distributer's who purchase from the factory.
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Old 09-05-2001, 01:03 AM
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Colt discontinued the LW Officer Model and because of that decision, the CCO also got axed because it used the LW Officer frame. The thinking was the Defender would fill the gap left by the CCO and the LW Officers Model. I can understand their thinking about the Defender filling in for the Officer BUT, I don't see it taking the place of the CCO. It's almost like Colt threw in the towel to let Kimber supply Colt's customers the Compact Model instead of the CCO.
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Old 09-05-2001, 07:58 AM
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byron2112, while it may not be readily apparent, from a business perspective, Colt does have the right priorities and advertising is not one of them, nor should it be one of them at this point in their financial life.

How are you supposed to know what they are selling other than t-shirts and belt buckles? The same way people have learned about products such the industrial revolution. You go to a dealer. Some major non-gun companies don't produce catalogs and rely on dealers to promote their products and many companies remain profitable by doing so. Don't get me wrong, catalogs are nice, but not essential.

Typical high gloss catalogs for guns are very expensive, especially when a lot of customers browsing for guns will take the catalogs home, look at them a few times, and then trash them. Also, Colt's main client base is not the individual, but the retailer. Colt relies on retailers to promote their products. Colt does maintain a web site that you did find and used. That is a form of electronic catalog. Web sites are much more cost effective than printed catalogs and can be updated more easily and at less expense.

Another reason why Colt is not investing large amounts of money into advertising like catalogs is because they are an established company with a long standing reputation. Between dealers and word of mouth, Colt reaches a lot of people.

Given Colt's current lines of items, the CCO you were looking for would not be found in a hard copy catalog anywhere since they aren't producing it now. In other words, a catalog would not have provided satisfaction for your frustration in finding out about that product. Companies usually don't waste lot of expensive advertising space on products they no longer sell.

As for what SamColtFan said about Kimber, he is pretty much right. Colt has seemingly gone the way of many American companies that found they could no longer adequately compete once new or retooled players entered the market. This happened with American cars that were on the downhill slide when Japen entered the car market with new and more efficient factories. Japan is now fighting to stay afloat because countries like Korea have newer production technology and can manufacture products in a more efficient manner. Colt got caught like American car companies. Kimber started up with newer and better technology that allowed them to produce guns with more standard features as well as some special features that Colt could not match and/or did not offer. I don't think Colt threw in the towel as much as maybe they just got hammered by a big roundhouse punch they never saw coming.
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Old 09-05-2001, 12:08 PM
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Ah yes the elusive CCO, I'm going nuts searching for them. If money is no object Les Baer makes the Stinger which is tactically identical to the CCO. Caspian also supplies officer frames and commander slides for a good smith to cobble a gun together.
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Old 09-05-2001, 07:00 PM
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Double Naught Spy, I guess you could be right if your saying Colt is using all available moneys to keep crawling along making product,but please look at it from my perspective.

I'm relativly young(30) and if I didn't bother searching the computer or wasn't into research and didn't bother exploring for sites like this one I wouldn't even be aware that Colt still existed.I know I read in some major magazine a year+ ago that colt was discontinuing sales to citizens and that only Colt "goods" would be available.Their online catalog leaves alot to be desired and many questions unanswered.I agree,catalogs are expensive.I'd be willing to pay for one,but if they are not going to be available the website outta be indepth and topnotch.

As far as dealers go I havn't run into to many that would recomend a Colt what with Kimbers popularity,and as many have posted here dealers are out there telling people Colt doesn't sell to the public anymore,whether they're doing that cause they believe it or cause they want to charge more for the Colts they have in stock is anyones guess.

As for word of mouth,I can just go from my own experience in telling you that Colt's name doesn't count for much as far as non hobbiests and younger people go.The thing you usually here is that they're overpriced guns that don't work outta the box.(if even mentioned at all)Names like Kimber,Springfield Armory,Sig and Glock carry much more cache and excitement.

Now I'm not bashing Colt by any means,but IMO lots of newbies go after what they've heard about,whats popular,ect......I just wish Colt would get the word out that their alive and........well their alive anyway.Lots of people don't want to take the time to lurk around here and read the truth from dedicated fans and experts(although I thoroughly enjoy it).

Can you run and continue to grow a business, as competitive as this one, on here say in this day and age?

Thanks for responding.
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Old 09-05-2001, 08:09 PM
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bryon2112,
Here ya go. Brand spankin NIB CCO! http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=1951492
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Old 09-06-2001, 06:58 PM
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Colt has made the pistol you describe from time to time over the last fifteen years, usually as a custom shop item for certain distributors who were willing to pony up the dough for the work. If you look around, you will probably be able to find one.

FWIW, Kimber and Springfield make a similiar model with a four inch barrel on an officers receiver. These models are readily available.

If you are going to go this route though, the Kimber Ultra Carry, with a three inch barrel, may be the best of the breed, although I would not pass up a Defender either.

[This message has been edited by Drago (edited 09-06-2001).]
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Old 09-06-2001, 08:03 PM
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Just a suggestion, how about buying a Colt Combat Commander and a $155 dollar Caspian cast officer's frame? Add the parts that aren't interchangable and put the Colt frame back until you find something to use it for. Maybe a Mech-tec carbine.

I wish Colt and their employees the best of luck, I hope to see them back on their feet soon and selling classic Colt handguns by the truckload.

*********addendum
Went to the Colt Custom Shop site and tried to use the online "Construct a Colt" feature to build a CCO but you can't start with a compact frame.
It appears that you can specify barrel length with a full size frame so maybe they will add the compact frame as an option later.

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