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Old 01-01-2014, 01:40 AM
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Gun Confiscation 2014? your thoughts




whats your thoughts on this?

http://www.teaparty.org/gun-confisca...olution-32599/
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Old 01-01-2014, 01:57 AM
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Fear mongering that does not stack up against the preponderance of evidence. This is not to say they will ever try it but to do so this coming year would be to invite an electoral lynch mob.

Yes they want to take our guns and yes in some states they have successfully neutered and gutted the second amendment with impunity. Then again they fail to mention Obama's repeated and failed pushes for gun control and 2014 is an election year. Find me anyone outside of deep blue state territory that will willingly go after guns in an election year.

Gun confiscation has occurred but despite the way this "article" suggests it is limited confiscation. California was outed as having tens of thousands of individuals who should not own guns that did and they toughened their standards. Other states have a deadline for registering "assault" style weapons and I am sure there are those in each of these states that ultimately want confiscation but they lack all the tools as of yet. That and any mass confiscation would meet with legal challenges in the states and on the executive side of things Obama cannot ask to have his shoes polished without standing before Congress and arguing for more Kiwi wax.

This article like so many others that I find on either the far left or far right media hubs are not journalism and I would trust Alex Jones and Infowars as much as I would Moveon.org. This is an opinion piece at best based loosely on recent events and I have yet to consider opinion pieces to be the cornerstone of good journalism.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:30 AM
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As with any "Infowars" link, you have to take this with a grain of salt. But...

Pro: The 2nd Amendment will not be repealed in 2014, period. Anyone with any understanding of what it would take to do that knows this.

Con: The litmus tests on confiscation and limiting of rights in certain states is real. Californians know this, and there are people watching. Similar restrictions in NY and CO are being watched by other leftist strategists. I feel for you people who live there and say that "Oh, well we are repealing these people who did this."

Yeah, but you DIDN'T stop them from passing these laws in the first place. How often do you hear about restrictive gun laws getting rolled back? You can repeal anyone that you want, the real deal is not letting these people get elected in the first place to inflict damage that is so hard to reverse, which rarely happens. And don't say "well donate to us to help fight, but you don't live here so it doesn't effect you." Bull!!! It effects all of us. Because even though it is only a few states, they preach about it on the NBC, CBS, and ABC nightly news, and idiots think it is a good think elect more leftist liberals to more states like it's a damn virus that people can't get enough of.

Strategy is key. We need to think big on a political level to not only solidify the 2A, but take attention away from it on the state level. It can only be done on the federal level. Trying to pretend that "states rights" still apply is BS. They are chipping away at that every day. I say if you can't beat them on our level, then beat them on theirs. We need a movement to push for federal 2A movement that tells these mofos off. Once that is in place, then go back to concentrating on states rights. Beat them at their own damn game. Our current game hasn't been working. Time to shift gears and out-smart these pricks.

EDIT: I probably come off as someone who works for Dick's. I am not, and I am compassionate to anyone who is pro-2A and lives in the places I mentioned. I will stand in arms with you any second of any minute. But we do have to stop the bleeding at some point. These idiots need to be stopped.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:04 AM
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I think that confiscation is a real possibility but not in 2014. As already noted, 2014 is an election year and the Democrats can't afford to loose any House or Senate seats. Gun Control is a Political death sentence right now.

The big push will come after the 2014 election. With the help of the MSM, the Third Party Spoilers and the I'm Staying Home Voters, the Democrats will retain the Senate and even gain a few key seats. They will also take back the House giving them their much needed Super Majority.

With this Super Majority they will have the power and the votes to do whatever they wish and Gun Control/Confiscation is what they wish.

It's coming, but not in 2014.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:07 AM
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Take a good look at the long lines in Connecticut. All law abiding gun owners lining up reminiscent of Australia years ago. Naw, it can't happen here ...... Info Wars or not, the first step to confiscation is registration. This story and the Connecticut story is low hanging fruit for the Info Wars people.

2014? I don't know. But does a number really mean anything? Do you some of you take comfort in the possibility that you may never see it but, that your Grandchildren will?

Keep poo-pooing and handing out tin foil if it makes you feel good.

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Old 01-01-2014, 08:16 AM
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Do you some of you take comfort in the possibility that you may never see it but, that your Grandchildren will?
One of the reasons I am alive today is because my grandfather stood up and not only defended this country, but went above and beyond the call of service to do so. I will not turn tail from his efforts and ignore what I have been blessed with to live in this country.

And I will not accept leaving this place in a worse place than it was when I came into it. I may not succeed, but I won't stop trying.

For the rest of you reading this, if you're not already there in this mentality, then you better start thinking about it.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:17 AM
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:28 AM
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We lived in Illinois for close to 50 years. The socialists are in charge there now. Nothing political happens there without the blessing of the Chicago machine. The state is 100 billion dollers in debt, they are almost a year behind on paying their debts.

We have escaped it as 100s of thousands of other income producers have.

My history lesson was to say that if confiscation comes it will happen on a state by state basis.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:44 AM
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We lived in Illinois for close to 50 years. The socialists are in charge there now. Nothing political happens there without the blessing of the Chicago machine. The state is 100 billion dollers in debt, they are almost a year behind on paying their debts.

We have escaped it as 100s of thousands of other income producers have.

My history lesson was to say that if confiscation comes it will happen on a state by state basis.
I agree. But in many states it will come in even smaller bites than that. People losing 2A rights for minor criminal offenses or even just charges, drunk driving, delinquent child support, medical/mental health reasons, accusations from a neighbor or family member etc.

But despite Infowars and their article I doubt much will happen this year.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:29 AM
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One of the reasons I am alive today is because my grandfather stood up and not only defended this country, but went above and beyond the call of service to do so. I will not turn tail from his efforts and ignore what I have been blessed with to live in this country.

And I will not accept leaving this place in a worse place than it was when I came into it. I may not succeed, but I won't stop trying.

For the rest of you reading this, if you're not already there in this mentality, then you better start thinking about it.
Amen brother.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:57 AM
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I have my tin foil hat on!

In a conversation with a shooting sports enthusiast who is more plugged into the legal/political issues than I am, he mentioned that he has heard talk of a document circulating (perhaps old news here) which appears to have originated with the UN and which outlines a seven step plan to confiscate all firearms in civilian hands (mil and LEO excepted) in member countries, with the aid of a UN Police Task Force. He further stated that 47 Senators (all D) have voted for or stated their intention to vote for the UN treaty that is much in the news these days. All of this may just be more Inet tall tales. Perhaps some here can authenticate (or discredit) these reports.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:01 AM
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What will happen when the first person fights back? Sooner or later it will happen.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:07 AM
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As long as a significant number of anti-gun types exist in the U.S. (and, most unfortunately, there are a lot of them), the risk of confiscation remains somewhere on the horizon. As many others have said, mandatory registration is the first step in confiscation planning.

I'm not going to get caught up in a specific year, because this is an ongoing battle between those who believe in freedom and what it takes to retain freedom against those on the other side who believe in a government gravy train.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:09 AM
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What will happen when the first person fights back? Sooner or later it will happen.
The big question this time around is "Will the 3% who are willing to put it all on the line to protect freedom be enough?"

3% was enough to provide the spark in 1776...
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:16 AM
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The big question this time around is "Will the 3% who are willing to put it all on the line to protect freedom be enough?"

3% was enough to provide the spark in 1776...
Nope.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:24 AM
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The big question this time around is "Will the 3% who are willing to put it all on the line to protect freedom be enough?"

3% was enough to provide the spark in 1776...
I think the number is way higher than 3% now. People are scared right now. Scared people that feel they are backed in a corner are dangerous.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:27 AM
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Look at it, read it, listen to all the rhetoric. Don't formulate an opinion yet.
Sit on the information. It may be as you say, fear mongering. Wait for more clues that are real. When the hair on the back of your neck stands up it'll be time for a decision. WHAT WILL YOU DO?

In the mean time keep hoarding guns, ammo, and supplies....
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:40 AM
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I think that confiscation is a real possibility but not in 2014. . .

The big push will come after the 2014 election. . . .

It's coming, but not in 2014.
I agree. In the run-up to the 2012 elections, political anti-gun rhetoric was put on pause and became a virtual non-issue--until after the election.

Like others here, I suspect 2A will be slowly, but inexorably, delimited by "reasonable" (at least to sheep) restrictions.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:49 AM
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It is my opinion gun laws and or confiscation in 2015 will depend on how the Nov 2014 elections go. If the Marxists take over the House and maintain the Senate we could be in concentration camps before they have all they can get out of us. Of course some will not believe it and will continue to defend this guy until they turn on the furnaces and lock the gates.
I would hate to be in a fight and wait till someone whipped my ass before I decided I needed to fight back.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:58 AM
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It is my opinion gun laws and or confiscation in 2015 will depend on how the Nov 2014 elections go. If the Marxists take over the House and maintain the Senate we could be in concentration camps before they have all they can get out of us. Of course some will not believe it and will continue to defend this guy until they turn on the furnaces and lock the gates.
I would hate to be in a fight and wait till someone whipped my ass before I decided I needed to fight back.
Oh they will take the House alright. To many voters will stay home to combat the third party spoilers.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:03 AM
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Confiscation is a long-term goal for many on the far left, but I do not see it happening in the near future. However, I do see a renewed assault weapon ban as soon as the Dems have enough votes. It wouldn't surprise me to see a ban on all semi-auto firearms too. I will be voting for Republicans that have a chance to win. I am not staying home and I am not voting third party.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:04 AM
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I agree. In the run-up to the 2012 elections, political anti-gun rhetoric was put on pause and became a virtual non-issue--until after the election.

Like others here, I suspect 2A will be slowly, but inexorably, delimited by "reasonable" (at least to sheep) restrictions.
Yep, eventually they will get what they want. It may not happen next year or within the next 10 years, but it will happen. They are out breeding us.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:05 AM
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Firearm confiscation took place in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Those guns were taken in house to house searches. Illegal? YES. Courts have since ruled the guns should be returned but none of the thousands of guns illegally confiscated have been given back. We have a family named Landrieu that are in power as a Senator and a Mayor. Both are anti gun and have made their stand kown.

It can and will happen if we gun owners allow it. To prevent it from happening, we need to vote and vote the right way.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:22 AM
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To prevent it from happening, we need to vote and vote the right way.

...And what is the "Right Way? Please explain.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:28 AM
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The big question this time around is "Will the 3% who are willing to put it all on the line to protect freedom be enough?"

3% was enough to provide the spark in 1776...
Actually April 19, 1775, Lexington and Concord Mass the first shots of the Revolution
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