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Old 04-25-2013, 05:08 PM
kokopelli123 kokopelli123 is offline
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LW 3" .45...ATI Titan w/upgrades vs Kimber Ultra




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looking for my next compact 1911 .45. for every day carry.

Two options- both for the same money in the end, (which I can get) which would you pick?

ATI Titan FX45 Lightweight- replace all springs with Wolf Service Pack. Undercut trigger guard. Bevel edges. Install thin bushings and grips. Replace ambi-safety with single. Cerakote finish. -All of this work I can do myself.

Kimber Ultra Carry II- leave stock

I don't like the Kimber firing pin safety, which is my thinking about building the ATI the way I want. Plus, both the Kimber and the ATI use MIM internals, so as far as the parts go, I'd say things are pretty close. Both have their share of complaints and problems too...

Any real reason to buy a Kimber over modding the ATI into what I want?
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:18 PM
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Kimber all the way. Why? It will run consistantly in comparison. Lots of bad press about the Titan and recoil assemblies. I have yet to see a quality replacement from ATI on the recoil assembly and I've owned 2.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:15 AM
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why would you consider anything but the Kimber ??
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:07 AM
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Kimber... the ATI will never have the metallurgical properties or the tolerances the kimber has stock.
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:50 PM
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Kimber... the ATI will never have the metallurgical properties or the tolerances the kimber has stock.
this is the issue I keep coming back to- I've seen/heard the steel is not on par with major manufacturers- peening, etc...

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why would you consider anything but the Kimber ??
because of the firing pin safety...
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:55 PM
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because of the firing pin safety...
I assume you could do a conversion to a 70 series. Do you have any first hand experience that is keeping you from a gun with a FPS? I have many Kimbers and the FPS is of zero concern for me.
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Old 04-27-2013, 05:06 PM
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Can't go wrong with Kimber but I cheaped out and got the ss titan. I read all of the posts here related to the guide rod and spring assemblies prior to buying this gun and took the gamble anyway thinking I could easily replace the guide rod assy etc. Post inspection on mine, compared to the photos on the other page, mine has an entirely different assy in it. It doesn't have a heavy a spring as the Colt but the rest of it looks pretty substantial. Only fifty rounds through so far and only one ftf but that was prior to my taper crimping the brass post reloading. The spring is closed on both ends also? I don't regret buying this gun at all, actually pretty happy with it for the money. Compared to my Sig 1911 Extreme, performance is comparable but in a smaller package.
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Old 04-27-2013, 08:40 PM
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I assume you could do a conversion to a 70 series. Do you have any first hand experience that is keeping you from a gun with a FPS? I have many Kimbers and the FPS is of zero concern for me.
actually, no first hand experience with Kimber, hence the apprehension. I've had numerous Colt's with their '80 series' FPS, which is trigger activated vs Kimber's GS activated system, including an XSE Commander, a Defender, a New Agent and lastly an XS Officers LW.
I know one real, live person who had problems with a Kimber 4" that required a trip back to get it running, and have read many other Mall Ninja stories of the same about Kimber...but that's true of all manufacturers.

I would not remove/de-activate an FPS on a carry gun for litigious reasons.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:20 PM
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Just beware the crap reverse plug on the ATI. Several have failed in action. The Kimber unit is far more solid. Warranty on the Kimber is probably better than the 1 year you get with ATI.
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:00 AM
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Just go with a Colt Defender . Then you don't have that Kimber firing pin safety I disliked it on my Kimber and returned to Colt.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:32 AM
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Just go with a Colt Defender . Then you don't have that Kimber firing pin safety I disliked it on my Kimber and returned to Colt.
Or an STI. IIRC, aren't they Series 70 as well?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:40 AM
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Read it on Colt's website, defenders are series 80 as well. http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/Colt...%A2Series.aspx
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:51 AM
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I keep hearing about the Kimber firing pin safety. After owning one and carefully looking at how it operates, can anyone please tell me what the concerns are?

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Old 04-30-2013, 07:22 PM
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There are none. Some people believe it increases trigger pull or will fail. It's two tiny flippers pushing up a 1/4oz spring and plunger in the slide. It's just a safety feature
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:51 AM
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Or an STI. IIRC, aren't they Series 70 as well?
STI Escort is my first choice as it were- but the lowest price I can find on one is $1050.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:53 AM
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Kimber... the ATI will never have the metallurgical properties or the tolerances the kimber has stock.
Curious what will make you say such a statement? Do you have any solid factual prove? Or just word of mouth, Internet guru, YouTube commando insights???

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Made in the phillipines even though they are being built there doesn't mean that they are "sub standard" quality handguns, yes of course that your not buying a true American built firearm but for the price point, budget friendly minded people it's not a bad choice. I've owned several Kimbers and they had their one share of problems, issues and bad internals same could be said about any other handgun. It's all a personal choice, if you have the budget, deep pockets etc go for what's the best that you can afford. Unfortunately it doesn't work like for some..

I'm sure that ATI could be made to perform better w minimal investment, it's the perfect tinkering handgun out there. Many people but 1k and above handguns and "still" tinker w them, change parts for this or that brand, etc
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:38 PM
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Trigger guard is already undercut on the Titan LW
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:22 PM
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I own an ATI Titan FX-45 stainless steel. Have a couple thousand rounds through mine with no problems. I did change out the recoil spring with that of the Colt Defender but that was only because the original was a PITA to remove.

No problem carrying this as my EDC.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:44 PM
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Kimber any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:33 AM
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Curious what will make you say such a statement? Do you have any solid factual prove? Or just word of mouth, Internet guru, YouTube commando insights???

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Made in the phillipines even though they are being built there doesn't mean that they are "sub standard" quality handguns, yes of course that your not buying a true American built firearm but for the price point, budget friendly minded people it's not a bad choice. I've owned several Kimbers and they had their one share of problems, issues and bad internals same could be said about any other handgun. It's all a personal choice, if you have the budget, deep pockets etc go for what's the best that you can afford. Unfortunately it doesn't work like for some..

I'm sure that ATI could be made to perform better w minimal investment, it's the perfect tinkering handgun out there. Many people but 1k and above handguns and "still" tinker w them, change parts for this or that brand, etc
I do not have any "prove", but proof, yes. We've been smithing, building race gun, and working with various manufacturers for years. If you've ever handled either, machined either, or done any analysis, it's clearly evident. Yes, people do still modify $1k and even $3k pistols. I'm not refuting that. Maybe you missed the whole point of the thread. He asked a simple question and I'm just providing feedback based on my personal/professional experience. Did I say the Philippines produces sub-standard guns? NO! You inferred which was totally wrong. STI uses Armscor base frames to make their guns. Do they use these in their Trubor guns, hell no. My point is the fitting and smith work that goes into a Kimber vs. and ATI. Nobody can argue against that. That's the same point with the STI.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:42 PM
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I don't like the Kimber firing pin safety, which is my thinking about building the ATI the way I want.
So you don't like the Kimber firing pin safety although you have no experience with Kimbers?

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Plus, both the Kimber and the ATI use MIM internals, so as far as the parts go, I'd say things are pretty close. Both have their share of complaints and problems too...
Have you have any experience with failed MIM parts?
If the you believe that the two guns have the same "parts" than why pay more for the ATI?
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