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Old 04-12-2013, 09:29 AM
pbshooter1217 pbshooter1217 is offline
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Para Expert or Springfield Mil Spec




My girlfriend is taking her concealed carry class tomorrow and she wants to get a handgun. I have a Ruger .22, so I told her she could use that and that we could get her a bigger caliber. She has shot my 1911 and says she likes the weight and the feel of them. I'm going to try to see if I can get her parents to chip in and get it for her birthday.

I can get a discount with ParaUSA and Springfield and can get a Springfield Milspec for $453 (black) or $498 (stainless) and a ParaExpert for $397 (black) or $450 (stainless).

What do you guys think of these guns? I have never shot a Springfield or Para before. If they're both good I might get one for her, then put my red dot sight money towards another 1911 for me
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:35 AM
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I have no experience with the Paras, but my Mil-Spec is one da** fine shooter! I don't think you would have any regrets getting one. Good luck!
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:44 AM
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If those are your choices, for the love of all that is holy, go with the Springfield.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:29 AM
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CHL class with a .22LR?

I would go Springfield.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:09 AM
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I have no experience with the Springfield but my Para GI Expert rocks. It's well made, reliable and accurate. My only complaint is that the black finish isn't as durable as it should be. I've had mine for years and I understand the newer ones are better finish wise so that may not be a consideration. There's also an SS version of the Expert IIRC.

Edited to add: This is a 50 round group. Speer Lawman 230gr FMJ @ 30ft.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:45 AM
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Springfield mil spec, get the stainless. I had a parkalized finished mil spec and the coating came off.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:10 PM
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You cannot go wrong with either....

<- has a Para GI Expert and a Springfield XDs. No issues.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:25 PM
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I'm interested in what kind of discount you get, that you haven't used???

I'd lean toward the Springfield, but either would be a solid choice.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:58 PM
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Springfield...get the stainless. Customer service is excellent. Springfield's custom shop, (if you decided to upgrade) is top notch.
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:01 PM
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I have no experience with the Springfield but my Para GI Expert rocks. It's well made, reliable and accurate. My only complaint is that the black finish isn't as durable as it should be. I've had mine for years and I understand the newer ones are better finish wise so that may not be a consideration. There's also an SS version of the Expert IIRC.

Edited to add: This is a 50 round group. Speer Lawman 230gr FMJ @ 30ft.
Wow really impressive group for 50 rounds. Can I ask the distance and if a rest was used?
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:00 PM
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Out of the two I'd say the milspec, because I have one.

I would recommend a smaller gun though, unless your gal can pull off concealing a full sized 1911 with today's fashion...
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:21 PM
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Wow really impressive group for 50 rounds. Can I ask the distance and if a rest was used?
I am guessing its from 30 feet/10 M
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:21 PM
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We went to the Gander Mountain where I work today to show her some guns. She liked the Para Stainless the best. The bad news is that I called the number on the order form and was told that that form was from before Freedom Group. They told me that I would have to go through Remington to check on the discounts now.

The good news is, if she wants to get a Para or Remington, I might get the Mil Spec.

She is going to her class tomorrow with her mom and grandma. The instructor said that a .22 would be fine and to bring about 60 rounds.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:35 PM
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Mil-spec, stainless. Don't look back...
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:40 PM
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I had Para's but own multiple Springfields. Reguardless of any discount, a Springfield is the better choice.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:38 AM
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Wow really impressive group for 50 rounds. Can I ask the distance and if a rest was used?
Thanks. The group was shot at 30ft off hand modified Weaver stance.
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Old 04-13-2013, 03:04 AM
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My personal experience with Springfields has been much better than my experience with Para. Just talking about what I've seen, YMMV. This experience is drawn almost exclusively from one example of each, so is by no means representative. Whichever, you choose, if its for carry I would urge you to spend a few bucks extra on a stainless. Sweat is corrosive as Hell, and you're not gonna notice the price difference from four years of retrospect, but you WILL notice any corrosion. Enjoy whatever you get her, and the peaceful feeling that only comes with knowing your loved one is able to defend herself, should the need arise.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:39 AM
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Tough Choice

Para Expert vs SA Mil-Spec Stainless. Para's CS is much improved. I credit Travis Tomasie (often on this forum) for that. SA's CS is superb, though a bit swamped right now. I'd probably go with the Para with a few qualifications. I like the fact that the front sight sits in a dovetail, that's the qualification. Now, I had heard that Para is changing to a Novak or Heinie dovetail. My GI LTC uses a .250" x 20 deg front dovetail which is a one of size. Again, I had heard that they were changing, I have low confidence in that rumor.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:44 AM
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I don't think she really wants to carry a gun around with her. Her grandma was the one who is "dragging" her to this class. She just wants a full sized gun to target shoot with and thinks the stainless is pretty.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:05 AM
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Para's new 2013 line up is awesome and the new Para company philosophy is awesome. They are on the move.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:20 AM
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Have a Springfield Mil-Spec and while it's a great shooter, there are quite a few sharp edges. This may or may not bother each particular shooter. It's at the gunsmith now (got tired of bleeding) getting more shooter friendly mods. It's also a great platform for customization. Never owned a Para GI, but out of the box it may be more shooter friendly.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:41 AM
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I don't think you can really go wrong either way but I'd go with the para expert because it comes with the beavertail as standard. For a new shooter this is probably going to save her some pain later on.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:00 PM
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Indeed they are!
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:23 PM
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Shouldn't you let the girl make her own choice?

What this entire Forum thinks is irrelevant to what one Woman thinks.


If the gift is a surprise, tell her your buddy at 1911Forum wants to give one to his wife
and he needs a woman's opinion on how it feels, looks, etc, to a woman.
Take her to a shop and let her handle both. She's a woman. She'll tell you.
In fact, maybe she doesn't like either one but likes a different one instead.
Get whatever she wants. And stop listening to us guys.



Like bluev6 and others above, I've shot both and they are equivalent. Among us guys, it's a brand thing.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:03 PM
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She texted me at work today and said she passed her qualification. She said the instructor told all the men in the class that they were out shot by a girl and she deserves the Top Shot Award for the class. Only dropped 3 or 4 out of the black.



Here is a picture of her target.

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