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Old 04-01-2013, 05:22 PM
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WARLORDARMS on GunBroker.com?




Does anybody have any experience with GunBroker seller "Warlordarms," who is selling RIA's on GunBroker?

On March 12, I purchased a Rock Island Armory 22TCM from Warlordarms on GunBroker and sent a money order shortly thereafter. I still do not have my RIA 22TCM and the seller has not responded to me since March 21, well over 10 days ago.

Does anybody have experience with this GunBroker seller? I was concerned about buying from him, but his story was that he was working with Fred Craig of Armscor and his mailing address was Puhrump, Nevada, which also seems to match that story. Warlordarms.com is also registered to Fred Craig, but is not currently active.

But still, no TCM and no word for 10 days.

By searching past sales, I see that this seller has sold 18 22TCM's on GunBroker since March 7. 3 of these have apparently resulted in feedback, giving this seller a GunBroker feedback rating of 3 now. I'm wondering if I'm just being impatient for if I have been scammed. I'm also wondering what I should do at this point.

Here is his current auction for more TCM's:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=335087336

Given my experience, tho, I would NOT recommend buying from this GunBroker dealer, but I'm certainly willing to correct this report if I get what I paid for--and soon. I wish I had purchased from a different dealer.

(BTW, I'm not a GunBroker noob. I've made numerous purchases and sales over the past few years and have always had pretty good luck with it.)

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Old 04-01-2013, 08:16 PM
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I don't do any buisness with Gunbroker, so excuse me for ignorane.

Is it normal for them to list no contact info like phone number or anything?
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:39 PM
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Third feedback says "Thanks John". Who's john?
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:16 PM
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I don't do any buisness with Gunbroker, so excuse me for ignorane.

Is it normal for them to list no contact info like phone number or anything?
Yup. I've had email, I had his post address, to which I sent him a money order, and I had his phone number. No responses to my email and my phone message for 10 days, but I finally heard from tonight, after sending another message today.

I've had pretty good luck with GunBroker, but not this time. Sometimes I can't get some guns locally, so I resort to bidding. I'll be more hesitant next time, I tell you, especially with low-feedback sellers. Never again.

I'm finally convinced that I'll get it, but we'll see.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:19 PM
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Third feedback says "Thanks John". Who's john?
John Glass in Puhrump, Nevada. He claims to be in a partnership with Fred Craig. I hope he works at protecting his online reputation more than he has over the past couple of weeks.

I was just wondering if anybody has dealt with him before.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:12 AM
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MR 22,

I have bought two guns on GB and both transactions went very well.

If I were you I would leave a negative feedback to his lack of response time. Sellers have no excuses, especially if you tried contacting them several times. With today's technology and media options (Iphons and Droids) I find it hard to believe they can't send a simple e-mail, or texts with a response.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:21 PM
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I hate buying anything without seeing it first. So If I can't find it locally, then I'll just wait.
Specially with these stupid jacked up prices on GB now days...
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:20 PM
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MR 22,

I have bought two guns on GB and both transactions went very well.

If I were you I would leave a negative feedback to his lack of response time. Sellers have no excuses, especially if you tried contacting them several times. With today's technology and media options (Iphons and Droids) I find it hard to believe they can't send a simple e-mail, or texts with a response.
I agree, mostly. I don't have an iphone/droid and if I have my way, I never will. Despite that, staying connected is not difficult, and sellers ought to keep their customers advised if they can't meet expectations for whatever reason. I also hope the OP would leave feedback expressing this point since there's no point to the feedback system if people aren't honest about their experience.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:47 PM
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MR 22,

I have bought two guns on GB and both transactions went very well.

If I were you I would leave a negative feedback to his lack of response time. Sellers have no excuses, especially if you tried contacting them several times. With today's technology and media options (Iphons and Droids) I find it hard to believe they can't send a simple e-mail, or texts with a response.
I've bought probably 20 guns on GunBroker over the years. Most of the deals go just fine. Sometimes they take longer than others. Some are surprisingly quick. I've also sold a few and I try to act as a seller as I would want as a buyer.

I just got rather upset that this dealer was making choices that affected my delivery date, but wasn't sharing that information with me. Honestly, I could have understood his reasoning, but I had no knowledge of what was going on.

I'm holding off deciding about feedback until I actually have the gun in hand.

Thanks for the comments.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:21 PM
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I have bought and sold @ 60 guns on gunbroker. I always check feedback before bidding. Most sales were quick but a few were not. I have been satisfied with all my purchases.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:34 PM
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Low feedback is not always bad. I've only sold one gun on gunbroker. But as soon as payment clears it shipped. Good communication is key no excuses for a lack of. Best of luck on this deal.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:44 PM
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I have bought and sold @ 60 guns on gunbroker. I always check feedback before bidding. Most sales were quick but a few were not. I have been satisfied with all my purchases.
Yup, I make it a rule to check feedback, too. Since this guy had low feedback, I emailed him prior to my purchase to find out more about him, mostly because he had factory connections and said I could also get 200 rounds of .22TCM ammo from him. My email discussion with him convinced me that he was a legitimate seller. And he probably is. Just painfully slow.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:28 PM
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I got my ammo and extra mags shipped from the same dealer to my home today, so I'm guessing the 22TCM arrived at my dealer today. Since he's closed tomorrow, I'll probably be able to pick it up Monday. VERY EXCITED to finally see it. It feels like Christmas!
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:27 PM
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Wahoo, my 22TCM finally showed up at my local dealer today! YAY! But wouldn't you know it, with meetings and such at work, I was too busy to go pick it up. Figures. Definitely going to get it tomorrow!

Looks like WARLORDARMS came through for me. Also got a bunch of ammo and magazines, which arrived at my house already.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:55 PM
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Glad your pistol finally came, hope you enjoy it. I am looking for one myself, Can't find anyone that has them.

your link to GB is old, maybe you should go back and delete some of what you said, about the seller, IMO.
In 2006 I waited 42 days for a new pistol I ordered,, from a dealer that has a big business. they were going through a ATF Inspection,and found that some employes had been stealing firearms. they could not ship or receive any firearms until they got this straightened out.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:35 AM
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Glad your pistol finally came, hope you enjoy it. I am looking for one myself, Can't find anyone that has them.

your link to GB is old, maybe you should go back and delete some of what you said, about the seller, IMO.
In 2006 I waited 42 days for a new pistol I ordered,, from a dealer that has a big business. they were going through a ATF Inspection,and found that some employes had been stealing firearms. they could not ship or receive any firearms until they got this straightened out.
The seller from whom I bought mine currently has 4 listed here:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=335624894

I tried already a couple of days ago to delete some of my comments above, because I felt perhaps I posted them in haste when I was frustrated, but was wanting to hear others comments--but apparently you can only edit posts for a few days, because that option is now gone.

If the moderator wants to delete this thread, that's fine with me. I should have just waited longer before posting, but I was concerned that I may have been scammed. Apparently NOT SO! I shall have my TCM in hand tomorrow! So excited!
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:27 AM
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My experience is the same as yours with them, John will usually answer the phone but almost never responds to emails and if he does does not answer the questions you asked.

I got my TCM from them as I was in a hurry to beat the new Colorado magazine ban law.

Still have not received my ammo and he wasn't sure if he shipped it yet as of yesterday. Also there was no manual or spring for the 9mm barrel in the box. John says it was there when he packed it but maybe somebody took it out by accident? He was going to go look into it but I haven't heard back yet as usual. I have one barrel with no ammo and another with no spring at this point.

I checked them out with Armscor first and they are legit but I'm thinking Mr.Craig may not know how his business is being run.

And btw the feedback on gunbroker shows posted by the seller not buyer but I'm not sure how that works.

I got extra magazines straight from Rock Island in Nevada but they are different and not labeled 22TCM and are not modified like the included one is. Little concerned with that but I'm unable to try them out at this point. I'm on a tight schedule to get more now if problems due to the law going into effect July 1st.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:08 AM
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My experience is the same as yours with them, John will usually answer the phone but almost never responds to emails and if he does does not answer the questions you asked.

I got my TCM from them as I was in a hurry to beat the new Colorado magazine ban law.

Still have not received my ammo and he wasn't sure if he shipped it yet as of yesterday. Also there was no manual or spring for the 9mm barrel in the box. John says it was there when he packed it but maybe somebody took it out by accident? He was going to go look into it but I haven't heard back yet as usual. I have one barrel with no ammo and another with no spring at this point.

I checked them out with Armscor first and they are legit but I'm thinking Mr.Craig may not know how his business is being run.

And btw the feedback on gunbroker shows posted by the seller not buyer but I'm not sure how that works.

I got extra magazines straight from Rock Island in Nevada but they are different and not labeled 22TCM and are not modified like the included one is. Little concerned with that but I'm unable to try them out at this point. I'm on a tight schedule to get more now if problems due to the law going into effect July 1st.
Hmm. Well, I'm finally almost convinced John will make things right, but now I'm a little concerned about picking up my TCM today. I'll check thru everything carefully.

I got my ammo shipment at home about the same time my TCM arrived at my dealer. I gave him my home address for the ammo and asked that he send it there. I also got my two magazines that I ordered inside the ammo shipment and they are specifically marked as 22TCM. So that's good. I also bought another magazine from a different guy with a +5 extender on the bottom, such that it increases the rounds to 22. It has no markings on it, but it seems to be the same with slight differences. I don't think it's a factory Armsor mag.

You are absolutely right on the return emails. If an answer might prompt you to buy, he'll answer, but once you've purchased, the doesn't respond very much. Sometimes he will and sporadically. I left him a voicemail at the number he supplied and he called back a couple days later.

John has sold at least 20 TCM's on GunBroker so far, but his feedback is still only about 4. Not a good feedback rate. I haven't decided what feedback I'll provide.

Even so, I'm VERY EXCITED about finally picking up the TCM. It's been almost exactly 4 weeks since I ordered it, so the anticipation is high.
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:11 PM
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Got the tracking number for my TCM via email today. After it's been delivered, LOL.
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:57 PM
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Got the tracking number for my TCM via email today. After it's been delivered, LOL.
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:54 PM
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I GOT IT!!! I GOT IT!!! I GOT IT!!!

I'm very surprised, actually, by how light the TCM is. I thought it would be a lot heavier. And I was concerned that the double-stack might be to wide for me, but it's not bad at all. I like everything about it, except TWO things: 1. How long it took to get to me, and 2. The crappy plastic grips, which look like they came from a cap pistol that you'd buy from the toy department at Wal-Mart. The checkering is uneven and looks squashed in places. Fortunately, I already have a set of cocobolo checkered grips waiting for it at home with some new grip screws. And some leather, and some, ammo, and some extra mags, and... ! Well, you get the idea.

But, I have to go back to work. Yay. But it's now mine!
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:14 PM
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I received my pistol on Saturday but like you got my tracking number today. No mention from him of the conversation we had yesterday about spring, manual or ammo. Spring and manual will be sent from Rock Island as I contacted them already.

Gene at Rock Island says the magazines I have will work fine as the design has been modified even though they look different. We will see when I'm able to actually shoot it.lol
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:35 PM
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I received my pistol on Saturday but like you got my tracking number today. No mention from him of the conversation we had yesterday about spring, manual or ammo. Spring and manual will be sent from Rock Island as I contacted them already.

Gene at Rock Island says the magazines I have will work fine as the design has been modified even though they look different. We will see when I'm able to actually shoot it.lol
Well, at least you'll get it all. Hopefully. I checked to make sure mine had the spring, but actually, I didn't check the paperwork for a manual. Was too excited to actually hold it in my hand.

MY TCM arrived on Friday, but my dealer was out. So ours probably went out together.

Just happy to finally have it! (And btw, the included magazine also was marked 22TCM, just like the other two I received with my ammo.)
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:26 PM
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Look behind the foam. in the case for Manual+empty shell casings.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:20 PM
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Look behind the foam. in the case for Manual+empty shell casings.
Case well checked everywhere.

No paperwork of any kind other than sales receipt. No shell casing either.

Pistol, extra barrel magazine and extractor. Nothing more.
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