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Old 12-05-2012, 12:36 AM
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Need load data for .357 mag w/ berry's plated 158gr RN




I need some reloading data. I am using Berry's plated bullet 158gr RN in a .357 mag, with CCI 550 primers, w/ Hodgdon H110 powder. How much powder should I be using? In case you couldn't tell by my tag name, I will be using the ammo in my .357mag semi auto.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:43 AM
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From Berry's website:



FAQ: How do I load Berry's Preferred Plated Bullets?
Plated bullets occupy a position between cast bullets and jacketed bullets. They are soft lead, but have a hard outer shell on them. When loading plated bullets we have found best results using low- to mid-range jacketed data in the load manual. You must use data for a bullet that has the same weight and profile as the one you are loading. Do not exceed mid-range loads. Do not use magnum loads.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:40 AM
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H110/W296 are great for full house loads, but many warnings are printed in every reloading source about 'reduced' 110 loads, with most saying do not reduce by but 2 or 3%. Ergo, I'd choose another powder for mid-range loads for plated bullets. Hard to go wrong with 7.3 gr of Unique, chronos at a gentle 1100 fps in a 6" revolver with my 158 gr JFPs.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:11 AM
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I need some reloading data. I am using Berry's plated bullet 158gr RN in a .357 mag, with CCI 550 primers, w/ Hodgdon H110 powder. How much powder should I be using? In case you couldn't tell by my tag name, I will be using the ammo in my .357mag semi auto.

First, Welcome to the Forum

Now......

Did you even read the manual?

Your Coonan is a fine handgun with a “proprietary design” and unique operating “geometry”
It is a poor home for the cheap soft plated lead in Magnum loadings.
(Coonan knows this, Hence the recommendation)

I personally have seen three of these guns (All original production pieces) blown up and in the gun shop for repair (2 were not salvageable) from using improper handloaded components.

Be “wise” here, use bullets of true “Jacketed construction” in bullet weights not to exceed Coonan’s weight and construction recommendations (125gr. – 158gr. JACKETED)

THEN…load them up with the big boomer (H110/296)
Start your “work up” at 3% below MAXIMUM charge weight listed for the bullet used with the H110/296 and “slowly” move up from there.

This.....is your "data"

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Old 12-05-2012, 11:40 AM
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Manual, what manual????? Just kidding
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:45 PM
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We know you're kidding! You're good with us.

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I personally have seen three of these guns (All original production pieces) blown up and in the gun shop for repair (2 were not salvageable) from using improper handloaded components.
Ah, that sincerely breaks my heart.
Coonan is such an interesting and fine handgun.
Blowing them up, and non-repairable, is just a waste!
But that's the nature of magnum,
you really gotta be smart and safe.

Coonan was meant to run on Magnum loads,
so when Berry's says (many thanks, Superdude my friend)
"Do not use magnum loads."
Then where does that leave the handloader?

It leaves the handloader to seek the wisest and safest choices.


Coonan357owner, welcome to our Forum, we welcome you openly.
We mean our advice sincerely, and will alway tell you truth as we know it.
If you bought many of those Berry's and would like to reconsider,
I'm sure other handloaders will buy them from you.
Berry's 158 RN is a good 38 Special bullet for practice.
They won't go to waste, someone wants them.
Best for you to use jacketed bullets and make Coonan happy!

By the way, H110 is a good powder, CCI a great primer.
But H110 needs to be respected, so please carefully
follow all the right procedures (including good roll crimp !!! ).
Don't deviate from the book and you'll do just fine.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:39 PM
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So with that in mind. I load hornady xtp rp&hp different grains for my Winchester and my ruger (both. 357 mag) and I was looking for something that was less expensive because I knew I was going to shoot a ton with my new Coonan. Which was why I went with Berry's. Any suggestions? I want to have as much copper covering the nose of the bullet as possible. Which is why I went with berry's. Less cleaning I have to do after I get done shooting.

Anybody have a need for 2000 rounds of Berry's plated bullet 158gr RN .38 cal.?
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:13 PM
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Anybody have a need for 2000 rounds of Berry's plated bullet 158gr RN .38 cal.?
Interestingly, I shoot those things in my 38 Super. With a light powder charge they produce little recoil and so far have produced good accuracy - though I've not tested that rigorously.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:13 PM
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coonan357owner, since you are a newbe (no offense ment) you need at least 40 regular posts (no one or two word posts counted) to be able to post your bullets in the WTS (Wants To Sell) section. I agree that you will not have any trouble selling your bullets. You may even get a buyer from this thread but the WTS/WTT thread will get the best response.

I feel your pain. Wanting to purchase less expensive bullets for your weapon is a sound goal. However your Coonan needs good jacketed bullets. Feed the beast with quality jacketed bullets and let it run. Your Winchester and Ruger will digest these Berry's 158gr just fine so even if you can not find a buyer (at the price you want) you can load rounds for them.

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Old 12-05-2012, 05:32 PM
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I would rather load the same bullets for all my guns. Less confussing for me and less likely to shoot the wrong ammo.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:26 PM
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First, let's see how those Berry's perform in Winchester and Coonan.
Maybe we can get a load that cycles the pistol.
If we cycle the Coonan, the Ruger will be happy.

What data book do you have? Tell me and we'll figure out a load together.

Tell me about the Winchester in 357.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:10 PM
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I use the Hornaday data book. (which I loaned to my friend). The Winchester is a Model 94.

What kind of lube do people recommend for my coonan classic. Right now i am using the bottle that came with the gun, FP-10. I use hoppes for all my other guns.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:49 PM
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Any gun lube works just fine. You choose.

The FP-10 is synthetic.
The two extra values of synthetic gun lube:
1. It won't stiffen up with time or with cold weather,
2. It won't 'mud' with gunpowder soot.
Both characteristics are useful in my AR15 on a 1000 round weekend in winter
but all my handguns (and shotguns & rifles) work perfectly with ordinary gun oil.


See next post...
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:06 PM
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I'm good with Hornady. We'll use their data for our procedure.
You're using Berry's 158 RN Plated, CCI 550, at 1.590" cartridge OAL.

First, load to 1.590" oal and make sure that fits the Coonan chamber.
Then see if it fits the Winchester chamber.
Check the Ruger cylinder but that should be no problem.

Start at starting load listed for the H110, 12.7 grains.
Make 6 rounds with a medium to heavy roll crimp
(look at a factory cartridge and imitate the roll crimp).

Shoot 5 rounds in the Coonan to see if they cycle.
Shoot 1 round in the Winchester and check to make sure it clears the barrel.
There should be no problem in the rifle, we're just being smart and cautious.

If they don't cycle the pistol, move up to 13.3 grains (next step in Hornady).
If those don't cycle, move up to 13.9 grains (one more step up).
If 13.9 grains doesn't cycle, just stop there. Go buy fmj bullets.
Another step up would likely exceed safe velocity for Berry's.

Those loads should be under 1150 feet per second, safe enough for Berry's.
If they cycle the Coonan, you're in business.
Just figure out which one is more accurate and pleasant to shoot.

But remember, the Winchester will get a little more velocity.
That's why we want to stop at 13.9 grains.
The Winchester will probably push close to 1200 fps.
You don't want to exceed 1200. Don't go any higher.


Last step, shoot one round at a clean sheet of paper at 25 feet.
Do this with all three guns on a separate sheet of paper.
Inspect the paper carefully, look for small jagged holes or perforations
within an inch or two around the .357" bullet hole.
Small jagged holes are pieces of copper peeling off the bullet.
That indicates that we pushed the Berry's bullet too hard.
If you get those extra little perforations, go buy fmj bullets.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:26 PM
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Thanks alot. that helps a lot.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:49 AM
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I shoot Lasercast bullets in my 327 Mag at 1800+ fps with no leading (Blackhawk). If you want to shoot "boolits" at pistol magnum velocities, you will need to use a hard cast bullet.

With a gas check I shoot hard cast in my rifles at 2600+ with no leading. Just don't use soft bullets. (Note, they also need to "fit" your bore correctly or you will be cleaning out lead).
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