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Old 08-07-2012, 10:15 PM
b1oodgroove b1oodgroove is offline
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California Approved Colt 1911




Hello-

I am looking to sell my Springfield TRP full rail to fund a new gun project.

The TRP is a great pistol, but it comes "complete" and I had no input on its built. My tastes have changed and I am looking for a less tactical 1911 (my Saiga 12 runs defense). Im looking for a "classic".

Im planning on purchasing a modern California approved Colt 1911.

Unfortunately, there arent any series 70 that are California approved (and I love my Springfield series 70 style trigger) models.

There are however two series 80 models that are approved and caught my eye. The XSE and the 1991.

I came across a 01991 model basic blue Colt at Turners here in SoCal for $989. Pretty pricey for a basic model, but this looks like it fits the bill. I like the idea that I can grow into this basic gun before I send it to the Colt Custom Shop to tailor fit it.

How is the trigger on these series 80 firearms? I have heard pretty good things (the Marines just bought 4000 XSEs).

Does anybody have another source for Colt handguns in SoCal aside from Turner Outdoorsman?

Living in Cali, is there anyway I can get a series 70? I heard a rumor that all Gold Cups qualify as relics?

Thanks in advance. I am looking forward to joining the Colt family but have to jump through California hoops. -Chris
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:23 PM
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Someone educate me... "Left Coast Approved". What?
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:36 PM
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Someone educate me... "Left Coast Approved". What?
California has an amazingly stupid "Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale". Handgun makers have to submit their guns to drop tests to be approved for sale in California. Needless to say this is a small list and we dont get the cool stuff.

There arent any series 70 that have been submitted for drop testing. Currently these are the Colt 5" 1911 models that are legal for sale in California:

01070XSE / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 5/9/2013
01091 M1991A1 Ser 80 / Stainless Steel (matte) Pistol 5" .45 ACP 3/11/2013
01091Z Custom M1991A1 (West Point) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 5/30/2013
01980XSE / Carbon Steel (blue) Pistol 5" .45 ACP 2/9/2013
01991 M1991A1 Ser 80 (Matte Blue) / Steel (matte blue) Pistol 5" .45 ACP 3/11/2013
01991AR (Centennial Anniversary) America Remembers / Blue Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 6/14/2013
01991AR Custom M1991A1 (America Remembers) / Blue Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 11/8/2012
01991Z Custom M1991 A1 (America Remembers) / Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 9/8/2013
01991Z Custom M1991A1 (West Point) / Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 5/30/2013





Hence my problem!
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:56 PM
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My trigger is nice on my 1991 built in 2011. Very little creep. Nice break.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:38 PM
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Hello-

I am looking to sell my Springfield TRP full rail to fund a new gun project.

The TRP is a great pistol, but it comes "complete" and I had no input on its built. My tastes have changed and I am looking for a less tactical 1911 (my Saiga 12 runs defense). Im looking for a "classic".

Im planning on purchasing a modern California approved Colt 1911.

Unfortunately, there arent any series 70 that are California approved (and I love my Springfield series 70 style trigger) models.

There are however two series 80 models that are approved and caught my eye. The XSE and the 1991.

I came across a 01991 model basic blue Colt at Turners here in SoCal for $989. Pretty pricey for a basic model, but this looks like it fits the bill. I like the idea that I can grow into this basic gun before I send it to the Colt Custom Shop to tailor fit it.

How is the trigger on these series 80 firearms? I have heard pretty good things (the Marines just bought 4000 XSEs).

Does anybody have another source for Colt handguns in SoCal aside from Turner Outdoorsman?

Living in Cali, is there anyway I can get a series 70? I heard a rumor that all Gold Cups qualify as relics?

Thanks in advance. I am looking forward to joining the Colt family but have to jump through California hoops. -Chris
All Gold Cups do not qualify as C & R. A 50 year old Gold Cup would qualify - I've no idea when they started making the GC.

Look for a CA gun shop that does the "Single Shot Exception" and you can get the 1911. The standard barrel is removed and replaced with a longer one to meet OAL requirements, a single shot sled is installed and the gun is OK to enter. The single shot exemption was designed for the T/C Encore but has other creative applications.

A store like Turners won't do it, I suspect, but smaller stores that sell "Evil Black Rifles" tend to.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:02 AM
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go to calguns.net and search single shot exemption. you need cooperation from your friendly CA FFL as well as your seller out of state. its legal. lots of FFLs wont touch it though.
calguns also has a pretty robust private sales forum. lots of nice stuff for sale face to face in so. cal.
make friends with your local small shops. all of them. i hit most of my local shops frequently. good stuff doesnt last.
i picked up this series 70 combat government a few months ago for a few dollars more than the 1991 your being offered. had been on the used rack 1 day and i lucked in and grabbed it. good luck.


or get yourself into a 1991 used for as cheap as possible and send it to colts custom shop. talk to Brent about doing series 70 treatment, if thats possible. They sure can make a S80 pretty awesome.
this commander started life as a matte blue billboard 1991. i have a full size there now getting worked over. the price is very reasonable for what you get.

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Old 08-08-2012, 01:43 AM
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ElToro is right about calguns.net Private Firearms Sales section. I checked it everyday and finally a 98 Gold Cup Trophy came up. It is also at the Colt Custom Shop in Brent's hands getting the treatment. Must be patient, must be patient... great work but a 6 moth backlog.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:11 AM
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Just picked up a 1991. Love the feel of it. Runs like a horse. It has a plastic msh and grip safety that I may replace at some point but other then that I absolutely love this thing. This finish is a work of art.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:22 PM
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Sweet.

Great tips.

ElToro- That Government is pretty much exactly what I am looking for!

I checked out calguns firearm sales and came across a couple of series 70 repros so its not impossible like I thought.

I will also check out the SSE loophole (I read that EBR does this nice and smooth).

I also have to do some more research on series 80 vs series 70. Maybe I am making too much of it. All I know from experience is that I had a Kimber with a firing pin block (though I think it was initiated from the grip) and it did not outperform my series 70 Springfield.

If only a local range would have a couple of Colts for rent to compare...

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Old 08-08-2012, 07:40 PM
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b1oodgroove,

Sorry about the commie state you live in. I have both a 1991 and 3 S70s. The '91 is a great weapon and any gunsmith worth their salt (and certainly the Colt Custom Shop can also) can do a trigger job that you probably wouldn't know the difference. My 1991 didn't have a bad trigger to begin with and after $45 at my smith's it was a great trigger. That being said, my S70s' triggers were outstanding right out of the box and my 2011 S70 has 3k rounds through her now and the trigger is PERFECT! Don't hesitate on the 1991. They are great but if you can find a legal "loophole" that will land you an S70...jump on it!
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:36 PM
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Another problem with the Kalifornia stupid handgun roster... All new pistols must have a cartridge indicator and a magazine disconnect. We won't see any more approved 1911's. Only what s on the list and IF the manufacturers pay the extortion fee annually. It sucks!!! JS. Papascull
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:33 PM
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My trigger is nice on my 1991 built in 2011. Very little creep. Nice break.
My 2011 model 1991's trigger settled at three and a half lbs at about 1,000-1200 rds, lot of factory fmj and jhp, nice trigger with clean break and 1/16th " travel.
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Old 08-10-2012, 06:53 PM
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Your quest is not as hard as you think.

As a fellow Californian I have all the Colt 1911's I can afford. You can buy any Colt 1911 used from a private party.

New Colts can be had at Turners and those little independent gun stores get the occasional one in too. recently I have found them at P.D. Gun Supply in San Fernando and the Gun Shop on Sierra Hwy. in Landcaster.

You can also contact Evil Black Rifle in Ventura and they will import the Colt of your dreams through the single shot exemption process.

If you are going to be a gun collector in California. You need to know the law and it's loop holes.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:56 PM
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Reading all of this, I am SOOOO glad I do not live in the People's Republik of Kalifornia......

For the rest of us, remember that when you go vote this November.
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Old 08-12-2012, 02:37 AM
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Reading all of this, I am SOOOO glad I do not live in the People's Republik of Kalifornia......

For the rest of us, remember that when you go vote this November.
Well, the weather is right and the girls are 10s, but the politics have run amok!

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