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Old 06-08-2012, 03:57 PM
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Thanks for posting the pic, La Grenouille. I don't see anything here that anyone should apologize for. I imagine even a picture of them standing in front of a row of guns in the same store would have brought the same results.


'This incident serves as a warning to all athletes ... about the dangers of social media,'' Nick Green, Australia's chef de Mission for the London team, said in a statement. ''We say again to our athletes, do not put anything up on social media that you would not share with your mother or your grandmother.

I'd be interested in hearing from the grandmothers. I bet Nick might be surprised.

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Old 06-08-2012, 04:22 PM
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Tell that to the members on the Beretta forum from Australia. I think they'd disagree that handguns are illegal.
I defer. It was my understanding that they had a mass turn in some years ago. That now it is illegal to own a hand gun. At least outside of a club. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize. I just thought it might be one reason for the team to take this action.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:34 PM
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I'm offended that Australians would be touching guns. As a society they capitulated to severe gun control measures and as such have no right to be handling them.

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Old 06-08-2012, 04:48 PM
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I completely agree that this destroys their "nice boy image"! Also it would be a good idea that the one on the left no longer wear the leather jacket! (that could give the wrong idea about being associated with bikers! ) And while we are at it, it would appear that they both need hair cuts! (the scruffy appearance could denote drug use!)
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:09 PM
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I can not believe.

That these people have nothing better to do than get their panties, or knickers as they call them. All in a bunch over something like this.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:53 PM
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If that makes me a 2A loudmouth, I can live with it. I've been called worse.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:11 PM
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:37 PM
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Hi guys,
The general media down here are socialist leaning, and there is a long term agenda to vilify any shooting related activities.
Combine this with a government that is based on a flawed Political system and still treats its citizens like subjects that need constant hand holding "we know what you want, even if it is not what you want" and throw in a big influence from an extreme left wing environmentalist party called the Greens (let's ban fishing, horse riding in national parks, and anything else fun) and you have Australia.

The photos and the ruckus are just an example of what we as shooters are hit with every day. When our olympic shooters get gold, they are public heros, when the Olympics are over they are dirt...no hesitation. Anyone touching a gun is tainted according to the media.

Our shooting population is about 5% I think. That is registered numbers, there would be a lot more out on farms etc. that have never bothered, but penalties are severe, so it is a lottery.

As to handguns, they are evil baby killers according to our Government, and are strictly controlled, available only to Clubs members (after about 8 months of wating). Outside of Clubs, private individuals cannot have possession of one , unless it seems you are from an Outlaw Motorcycle gang, or a Middle Eastern crime family, then it seems to be o.k.
The official response to these gangs is to put more onerous laws onto the legitimate shooters...sounds fair doesn't it?

Our military is bleeding dry, constant budget cuts and outright slaps in the face to serving troops (removal of right to free flight home to visit family for troops stationed away from home is the latest one) means the incentive to join becomes less and less each year.

I could go on for a lot more, but my blood pressure is rising...

Oh one final thing...

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Maybe we should invade them, easy Target
You'd have a heck of a lot of help from a lot of Aussies...
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:49 PM
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After reading that Telegraph article it sounds like these two were on "double-secret probation" with the Aussie Olympic Committee already. This is all pretty ironic seeing as the US allows NBA players in the Olympics and those guys have their fair share of run-ins with the law. Former US player Allen Iverson had a few gun-related arrests during his career.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:22 PM
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Welcome aboard, nostatic. Wish your first post had been something less somber, but I appreciate hearing your thoughts nonetheless.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:39 PM
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Allow me to add my thanks for that post nostatic. You've been around a while, post up some more. We love to hear from those outside the US.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:41 PM
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:19 AM
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the international Olympic committee, and the nationals,
are dependent on, donations, sponsors, and ticket sales,
for funds.
everybody knows that.

as such, there are lots of things you can't do.
nobody forces you to participate.
same for NASCAR
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:31 AM
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This is total PC BS and it makes me ashamed to be an Aussie.

The boys did nothing wrong they did not brake any laws.
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:25 AM
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the international Olympic committee, and the nationals,
are dependent on, donations, sponsors, and ticket sales,
for funds.
everybody knows that.

as such, there are lots of things you can't do.
nobody forces you to participate.
same for NASCAR
I think you need a better example then NASCAR, I have had the opportunity to meet many drivers and crew and they by and large are all PRO-GUN, I know you are using the example of keeping sponsors happy but I think you need to find a different Corporate example.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:38 AM
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If the pure intention behind Swimming Australia asking for the pictures to be taken down is to preserve image, I think that's BS. However as previously stated, chances are that they are in illegal possession of these guns (non-immigrants without exception) I highly doubt that Swimming Australia know that though.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:38 AM
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the international Olympic committee, and the nationals,
are dependent on, donations, sponsors, and ticket sales,
for funds.
everybody knows that.

as such, there are lots of things you can't do.
nobody forces you to participate.
same for NASCAR
Nobody forces you to participate in most things in life. The thing to bear in mind, however, is that the more things that are encumbered by artificial political correctness, the less things that many will choose to participate in, to everyone's loss. You forgot one important thing that the Olympics are dependent on. The athletes.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:40 AM
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If the pure intention behind Swimming Australia asking for the pictures to be taken down is to preserve image, I think that's BS. However as previously stated, chances are that they are in illegal possession of these guns (non-immigrants without exception) I highly doubt that Swimming Australia know that though.
They aren't in possession of anything. The gun store possesses the guns. They're holding them.
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:10 AM
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Hi guys,
The general media down here are socialist leaning, and there is a long term agenda to vilify any shooting related activities.
Combine this with a government that is based on a flawed Political system and still treats its citizens like subjects that need constant hand holding "we know what you want, even if it is not what you want" and throw in a big influence from an extreme left wing environmentalist party called the Greens (let's ban fishing, horse riding in national parks, and anything else fun) and you have Australia.

The photos and the ruckus are just an example of what we as shooters are hit with every day. When our olympic shooters get gold, they are public heros, when the Olympics are over they are dirt...no hesitation. Anyone touching a gun is tainted according to the media.

Our shooting population is about 5% I think. That is registered numbers, there would be a lot more out on farms etc. that have never bothered, but penalties are severe, so it is a lottery.

As to handguns, they are evil baby killers according to our Government, and are strictly controlled, available only to Clubs members (after about 8 months of wating). Outside of Clubs, private individuals cannot have possession of one , unless it seems you are from an Outlaw Motorcycle gang, or a Middle Eastern crime family, then it seems to be o.k.
The official response to these gangs is to put more onerous laws onto the legitimate shooters...sounds fair doesn't it?

Our military is bleeding dry, constant budget cuts and outright slaps in the face to serving troops (removal of right to free flight home to visit family for troops stationed away from home is the latest one) means the incentive to join becomes less and less each year.

I could go on for a lot more, but my blood pressure is rising...

Oh one final thing...



You'd have a heck of a lot of help from a lot of Aussies...
Looks to me that you will be the first Western Nation that China takes over when they feel they have enough economic and military power to get away with it.

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Old 06-09-2012, 10:28 AM
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However as previously stated, chances are that they are in illegal possession of these guns (non-immigrants without exception) I highly doubt that Swimming Australia know that though.
It is not illegal for a person to hold a gun in a gun store. I have no doubt that the gun store owner was more than happy to take the picture seeing as how this is something they can't do at home.

If they had tried to purchase the guns or walk out of the store with them, that would be illegal.

I only mention the legality aspect so we can gain an understanding on how feelings differ in Australia.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:15 AM
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Looks to me that you will be the first Western Nation that China takes over when they feel they have enough economic and military power to get away with it.

Carl
Yeah well it would be an improvement. .

The Goberment and do gooders have destroyed Au.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:43 AM
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"Offensive" Wow whatever. Yes Australia would be an easy target But there are some pretty pro gun Aussies. So they aren't all bad.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:52 AM
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OK I was just going from the definition on a website here in georgia.
"The general definition of possession is having control of an object. Possession does not necessarily mean ownership of an object. Since there are different ways to control an object, the legal system has various ways to describe the different situations in which a person has control of an object (active, illegal, legal, criminal, physical, sole, joint, etc)."
There is a disclaimer saying that it is not legal code but a laymans definition. I'm guessing this is different to all the firing ranges that do not allow non-immigrants to use weapons at their range because of the prohibition? I'm new to all the technicalities (recently moved from Australia) and within the last week or two received my weapons license for Georgia, so if my understanding is wrong then no harm no foul, I'm all for learning. I've also read that there were muslim students who were posing with guns and they were arrested for illegal possession or something. Again if I'm wrong, call me out, you won't hurt my feelings.
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:06 PM
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They clearly wanted the photos pulled because the guy on the left has one pointed in an unsafe direction (it looks like it's pointed right at his buddy). I applaud Australia's stance on proper gun safety
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:04 PM
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The one on the right also has his fingers on the triggers. tsk tsk.
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