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Old 05-18-2012, 10:02 PM
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Cast bullets in .45 ACP




Any problems with using cast bullets in 1911?
Is it big difference in accuracy and maintenance between FMJ or CAst?
Cast bullets are a lot cheaper
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:19 PM
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:30 PM
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Cast Boolets

You can use cast in about anything I use em in almost all my handgun"s
9mm, 45 ACP, 357mag, 41 mag,44mag, 45 Colt etc I usually cast them from wheelweights and lube size them with a lyman 450 sizer. If they are going to be driven fast I will use a gas check bollet. I prefer to load my rounds to a lower level like 900-950fps so they are enjoyable to shoot.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:33 PM
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So long as the bullets are properly sized, properly lubricated, and properly loaded, the more popular lead bullets work very well in .45 acp. The 200 gr LSWC, particularily the H&G 68 design, and clones, works exreamly well.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:34 PM
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Cast bullets are about all I shoot I would say about 90% of the time.
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Old 05-19-2012, 02:18 AM
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Cast bullets and the .45 ACP..........


.......Are like peanut butter and jelly......



As already stated, cast bullets go well with just about ANY handgun round, with the caveat that "fit is king".


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Old 05-19-2012, 07:47 AM
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Thank you.
Thats what I've thought.
Don't think I'll be castings bullets anytime soon. Not enough hours in a day. Lol
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:14 AM
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No difference in accuracy noted over the years here . However cast (which i shoot almost exclusively) can lead up your barrel faster . Although its not difficult to clean by any means .

Quick tip : Shoot a mag of jacketed as your last mag before cleaning and the cleaning is alot easier .
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:20 AM
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Well, not necessarily true. I've found that shooting jacketed after cast tends to just iron any leading down into the lands - they do get help rid of any excess lube, tho

As epj mentioned, as long as they're properly sized and lubed, you'll have few issues.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:32 AM
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cast is all I shoot in my Springer Loaded,Lee TL 200 gr swc,Lee TL 230 gr. rn,MB Soft Ball 230 gr. rn.All funtion great and give good accuracy.biker
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Old 05-19-2012, 12:02 PM
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In the 45ACP 1911's and S&W 945 which I use for bullseye pistol matches I only use a 185 gr. LSWCHP bullet.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:11 PM
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LSWCHP?
Lead semi-wad cutter hollow poit?
Just guessing
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:36 PM
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:50 PM
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However cast (which i shoot almost exclusively) can lead up your barrel faster .
If you are having leading issues, something is wrong with the bullets, the bore, your loading technique or equipment or more than one of the previously mentioned.



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Old 05-20-2012, 01:01 AM
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If it wasn't for the lower cost of cast bullets,my shooting would be SERIOUSLY curtailed.I priced jacketed and copper washed bullets the other day and about felll out of my chair ! it's amazing what some of the folks I live-chat with consider 'good prices' on bullets.They obviously have not priced cast bullets ! I do my best to edjamukate 'em.
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:33 AM
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Any problems with using cast bullets in 1911?
Is it big difference in accuracy and maintenance between FMJ or CAst?
Cast bullets are a lot cheaper
As long as you keep in mind that the 1911 .45 was designed for and intended for use with jacketed bullets, and that using cast requires a certain amount of 'tinkering' to find the right combination, cast will work just fine.

Accuracy pretty much depends on finding what the gun likes. Be ready for some experimenting with different bullet, lube, and powder combinations to find that 'perfect' load.

Leading is the chief problem, and feeding issues are common. Good lube will mitigate leading to some extent if the lead is too soft. Again, alloy hardness and lube need to be fine tuned for your gun.

As for cost, cast bullets may be cheaper, but not necessarily. For example, the heavy hunting bullets I use in my .45 Colt are roughly 25% more expensive per round than the same weight in jacketed, but its worth it because they are more accurate. They are also cast very hard, and sized to match my groove diameter, while the jacketed is .002" smaller in diameter (.452"). Bottom line, all of the above depends entirely on what the gun likes.
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:46 AM
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One of the guys in my club casts and sells professionally. I use a 200gr. SWCRN (the truncated nose has rounded edges for better feeding). He sells them $40/500 which gets my cost per box to around $6.50.

I used to cast back in the day and am considering getting back into it. Wheelweights are an excellent recipe for most handguns. If you can run across them for free, you could get your cost per box down to around $2.50. That's just north off the cost to shoot .22!
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:33 AM
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Free wheel weights or even cheap wheel weights are pretty scarce in most of the country.
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:25 PM
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In Wisconsin here , a case of High Life buys me a 5 gal bucket of wheel weights lol . Never hurts to ask your local garage . Worst they could say is no lol .
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:20 PM
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Well,
I've used som today. Lgs had box of 100 230 grain , so I gave it a try.
I used 6grains of longshot and cci primers.worked pretty good ,except I got bit of a burning powder hitting my face with almost every shot. These were soft crappy bullets tho,
I'll order some of those 200 lswc everybody is talking about.
Normal load with jacketed bullets is 6.7 grains of same powder.Still got some powder in the face ,but only occasionally.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:38 AM
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Free wheel weights or even cheap wheel weights are pretty scarce in most of the country.
Scrap price is holding around $0.18/lb right now. Not worth the gas for a guy to take to the scrapyard. If you could pick up 100lbs. from a garage for $18 it'd be well worth it.

I think they figure about 35 bullets per pound for 200 grain, so to be safe I'll say 30. That's 3000 for $18 or $0.006 per bullet, a little over a half a cent.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:12 AM
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I just did a round count on my main wad gun. Since 2000 I've put 50,600 H&G 68's and H&G 130's through it. The barrel gets cleaned after every range trip and a total detail strip & clean twice a year. Still holding 2-2 1/2" @ 50 yards.

In that 50k+ there has been about 300 rounds of Rem 185 SWC and Nostler 185 JHP. Everything else has been lead.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:41 AM
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Just loaded up my first box of 230 LRN over 4gr of W231. Suprised at how nice it was. This is after shooting 3k of 200 LSWC. Going to try 4.2 and 4.4, now.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:03 PM
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Any problems with using cast bullets in 1911?
Is it big difference in accuracy and maintenance between FMJ or CAst?
Cast bullets are a lot cheaper
Most problems with shooting cast bullets are generally shooter error, like wanting to shoot hotter loads and loading a softer bullet that was meant for lighter loads, this causes leading of the barrel.

The BHN of a particular bullet tells you how you might want to load that type bullet. A 16 BHN will shoot at higher veloscity than one of the swaged type lswc's which are usually of a softer lead. Cast bullets of say 8-11.5 or 12 BHN will give a good light target load without any barrel leading.

Do your research and lessen your chance for errors.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:57 PM
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Just loaded up my first box of 230 LRN over 4gr of W231. Suprised at how nice it was. This is after shooting 3k of 200 LSWC. Going to try 4.2 and 4.4, now.
Of course as always work up slowly.

The best group I ever shot with a 1911 (12yds, no bench rest) was with 4.9gr HP-38 behind a 230 LRN. No individual holes, just tore the center out of the target...

I don't know why I keep looking for anything better except it's kind of fun!

Just set up some with 200SWC's, we'll see how that works...
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