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Old 05-10-2012, 12:48 PM
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Something else to keep in mind is that I believe some of Buffalo Bore's other products like the 255gr. hard cast and the likes do live up to the stated claims and performance expected. I'm not trying to totally trash the whole company here. If a customer is searching for +p hard ball, buffalo bore is going to make the mark there too. Its just a matter of buyer beware on certain products not all of them. i bet alot of their hard cast revolver caliber loads are excellent choices for people looking for such products. If it wasn't for their shady dealings with bait and switch JHP rounds, I wouldn't have a problem with them.
I understand... Thank you again for alerting me of this problem.. Buffalo Bore seems to be a nice product, but it seems they have an issue with their JHP ammo
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:49 PM
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:28 PM
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I've shot their 255 grain +P loads and found them to be on the mark. They are just a bit faster out of my 5" 1911 and the test done with the Remington R1 enhanced a couple months ago in Hangunner showed them to be moving out at 975fps - in my 1911 they go 960fps and keep within a 3" group at 25 yards.

The few people I know that use BB on a regular basis have never complained to my knowledge, so I think maybe one should give their product a try prior to getting a bad attitude toward their product, as Tim has been around for awhile and his ammunition has hundreds of satisfied regular customers.
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Another email from Tim.. seems very irritated..

Somewhere on U tube, you’ll find a video of a guy who used your exact load and penetration tested it in 10% ballistic Gel. If you can find that video, watch it.

I’ve been making millions of round of ammo per year commercially for 15 years, but before that, I was hand loading (started hand loading at age 12 and am 54 now) all my personal ammo for over a 100 different cartridges and after all of that experience, I am simply amazed at the level of misinformation that exists in America, regarding guns/ammo. The worst offenders are the gun shop owners. 90+% of the time, I hear nothing but speculation, rumor and untruth gushing from their mouths and then that crap gets repeated over the internet a million times over until everyone simply knows it is true. Mankind is an ignorant lost race. Sorry, but I am burned out. What I told you about the particular MGB at the velocities we run it, is true. Take care.

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Old 05-10-2012, 03:55 PM
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Tnoutdoors9 did a test w/ the MGB recently and IIRC it didn't do too well. I'm on my phone now, but when I have access to a computer later, I'll look up & post the link.
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:05 PM
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Tnoutdoors9 did a test w/ the MGB recently and IIRC it didn't do too well. I'm on my phone now, but when I have access to a computer later, I'll look up & post the link.
Thank you, please do!
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:31 PM
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Tnoutdoors9's test of the Buffalo Bore .45 ACP +P 230 gr (Montana Gold JHP): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSVXGNWHKE&feature=plcp

Does expand, but not as well as the Speer Gold Dot

ETA: since this debate focuses on the GD vs MGB, here's TN's test of the Speer 230 gr Gold Dot (standard pressure): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frFfF...ure=plpp_video

Last edited by La Grenouille; 05-10-2012 at 04:34 PM. Reason: Add 2nd link
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:44 PM
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Tnoutdoors9's test of the Buffalo Bore .45 ACP +P 230 gr (Montana Gold JHP): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSVXGNWHKE&feature=plcp

Does expand, but not as well as the Speer Gold Dot

ETA: since this debate focuses on the GD vs MGB, here's TN's test of the Speer 230 gr Gold Dot (standard pressure): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frFfF...ure=plpp_video
Nice.. the standard pressure gold's are much better than the Buffalo Bore's.. I ordered some Federal HST +p's...
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:59 PM
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think i figured out how to post links from mobile

Since you mentioned it, here's the HST test (sorry, couldn't find a test of the +P): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWW2Y...e_gdata_player

I posted this link from my phone, so if it doesn't work properly, let me know!
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:34 PM
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Since you mentioned it, here's the HST test (sorry, couldn't find a test of the +P): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWW2Y...e_gdata_player

I posted this link from my phone, so if it doesn't work properly, let me know!
Very nice... those HST are awesome.. great expansion and penetration..

Thank you!!
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:58 PM
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Send Mr. Tim that link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSVXGNWHKE


Yes, that bullet is a crap performer compared to Gold Dots. They actually expand LESS than most 9mm SD loads.

So sad, because he does load the ammo well.
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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Send Mr. Tim that link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSVXGNWHKE


Yes, that bullet is a crap performer compared to Gold Dots. They actually expand LESS than most 9mm SD loads.

So sad, because he does load the ammo well.
I have.. Tim thinks we are ALL stupid and he is not.....From what I have concluded.. He uses the Montana bullets to achieve his " numbers".. does not care about anything else... just the numbers..
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:21 PM
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I have.. Tim thinks we are ALL stupid and he is not.....From what I have concluded.. He uses the Montana bullets to achieve his " numbers".. does not care about anything else... just the numbers..
I personally don't give a hoot what he thinks. After taking another long look at his ammo on his website, I'm not really all that impressed. It isn't all that hard to reach his 'numbers' if you're careful. The biggest reason, though, why I won't be buying any of it anytime soon is that it is way overpriced. $80 for 50 rounds? Get real. He isn't the only one selling ammo for such ridiculous prices either.

Sorry, but price gouging is a major peeve with me.
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:05 PM
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Buffalo Bore's ammo is predicated on loading to a hot standard, without regard to other design aspects. Clearly, while more speed is better, there is an upper limit to certain designs where the effectiveness is overshadowed by failures or simple overpenetration.

I have obtained a couple of example loads from Buffalo Bore and will be putting them to the test.
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I'm digging up this old thread. In today's environment, I find myself taking what ammo I can find. I was able to find some Remington Golden Saber 45 ACP 185 and 230 grain locally and have picked up a few boxes of each, but supply has dried up.

I have been scouring the internet for good 45 HD rounds. I found some Buffalo Bore 45 ACP +P 230 grain JHP on Midway and decided to buy some.

After reading this thread and some other information floating out there, I have come to the conclusion that this might be just an OK round, but not necessarily the best. I've seen the tnoutdoors9 video of this round and compared it to the Remington Golden Saber 185 grain. What I see with the 185 grain is less penetration (11.25 versus 17) and slightly more expansion (.702 versus .625). That is assuming the BB has the Montana Gold bullet.

If anyone has any updated personal experience with BB 230 grain JHP or Montana Gold bullets, it would be appreciated. For now I'm not going to regret my decision because these rounds appear to be vastly superior to throwing rocks or spears.
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I have shot and tested both buffalo bore and underwood ammo's loads of the Speer gold dot and both behaved how I expected them to. An average of about 15" of penetration and an average expanded diameter of about .61-.64. The Speer bullets held together, but they definitely showed signs of being above the velocity envelope where they are most likely to expand to a maximum delta.

Still, gel is gel, and some hogs went down with these loads, so they clearly don't just dematerialize due to embarrassment from failing to perform at their peak either.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:33 PM
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I have shot and tested both buffalo bore and underwood ammo's loads of the Speer gold dot and both behaved how I expected them to. An average of about 15" of penetration and an average expanded diameter of about .61-.64. The Speer bullets held together, but they definitely showed signs of being above the velocity envelope where they are most likely to expand to a maximum delta.

Still, gel is gel, and some hogs went down with these loads, so they clearly don't just dematerialize due to embarrassment from failing to perform at their peak either.
Thanks. Looking forward to trying these.
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