Buffalo Bore 45acp 230gr+p very nice

[SISKIMBER]

Picked up some SD for the Kimber... JHP 230gr.... very nice quality much nicer than the Corbon... will shoot some this weekend...

Buffalo Bore has some very nice ammo....

[knifeguy]

post back and let me know how it shoots. I have used buffalo bore in my revolvers and liked it. Might have to try it in my 1911

[baccusboy]

Unlike Double Tap, Buffalo Bore's ammo actually does live up to its claims.

[Dieselman]

What bullet is loaded into your ammunition? Gold Dot, Montana Gold, something else? I ask because I have read many complaints about Buffalo Bore on another forum where people ordered the product based on a picture on Buffalo Bore's website of ammunition loaded with Speer Gold Dot bullets but when they receive their ammunition it is loaded with inferior Montana Gold target bullets instead. Wich in my opinion as well as many other folks opinions have absolutely no business being loaded in ammunition used for defensive purposes. This being said I emailed Buffalo Bore for clarification on whether or not this was true. The response I got back from them left me feeling like Tim was being condescending and intellectually dishonest about his product and I chose not to deal with buffalo bore for this reason.

Here is a copy of what i sent him and the response i got back....

Hi,

I am writing in regards to product SKU 45-230/50 45acp +P JHP ammunition. What bullet do you use in this loading? I am interested if it's a Speer 230gr Gold Dot but some people say they received ammunition loaded with 230gr. Montana Gold target bullets. Which is it?

Thank you
James E.



And Here is Tim's response.....

Both are correct. We use Gold Dots when we can get them because sooooooo many folks are brainwashed into thinking Gold Dots are better. ( and Gold Dots are good) When we can't get Gold Dots we use the Montana Gold Bullet. Right now, we have Gold Dots in stock. This link may help you. http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...duct_list&c=86

Tim


Ok here's the problem I have with this situation. First he is indirectly calling me, a potential customer, "brainwashed" because I prefer a bullet with a proven track record and also approved by Doc Roberts. And secondly he is trying to convince me that Montana Gold Bullets are just as good. Well everything I have read about Montana Gold says that they are accurate for target shooting but piss poor at expanding and retaining their weight. They are not a defensive bullet and they are not on Doc Roberts recommended list or on anybody elses either for that matter. This just rubbed me wrong so I ended up purchasing from Underwood Ammo instead. I haven't received my underwood ammo to evaluate yet, but when I do, I'll report back

[SISKIMBER]

I have heard nothing but great reviews with Buffalo Bore..... I have Corbon DPX and Corbon JHP.. all great ammo..

[HungrySeagull]

I have gone through some boxes of the stuff from BB. I had no issues with the ammunition.

I found the 185 +P in .45 a fun load to shoot.

There is one potential issue in the .38 special +P. One matches the cylinders inside the Ruger LCR and one similar but different stock number (I think short barrel, cannot remember) does not fit.

ASYM and Ranger T LE Surplus (Similar to the PDX Bonded; if not the same) are the other ammo that fires really good. Particularly the ASYM.

[Dieselman]

Originally Posted by SISKIMBER

I have heard nothing but great reviews with Buffalo Bore..... I have Corbon DPX and Corbon JHP.. all great ammo..

As far as Buffalo Bore making their advertised velocities, then yes, from what I have read here and elsewhere, I think they do meet their claims. Good reviews that claim BB makes advertised velocities are all over the internet.

However when shipping products with bullets different than shown on their website and substituting target quality bullets in place of premium defense bullets is where they get poor reviews. If I am paying over $50.00 a box for premium defense ammunition from buffalo bore and they ship me cheap plinking bullets instead, that's unacceptable with me regardless of whether or not they hit the velocity mark

[Rifter]

Originally Posted by Dieselman

What bullet is loaded into your ammunition? Gold Dot, Montana Gold, something else? I ask because I have read many complaints about Buffalo Bore on another forum where people ordered the product based on a picture on Buffalo Bore's website of ammunition loaded with Speer Gold Dot bullets but when they receive their ammunition it is loaded with inferior Montana Gold target bullets instead. Wich in my opinion as well as many other folks opinions have absolutely no business being loaded in ammunition used for defensive purposes. This being said I emailed Buffalo Bore for clarification on whether or not this was true. The response I got back from them left me feeling like Tim was being condescending and intellectually dishonest about his product and I chose not to deal with buffalo bore for this reason.

Here is a copy of what i sent him and the response i got back....

Hi,

I am writing in regards to product SKU 45-230/50 45acp +P JHP ammunition. What bullet do you use in this loading? I am interested if it's a Speer 230gr Gold Dot but some people say they received ammunition loaded with 230gr. Montana Gold target bullets. Which is it?

Thank you
James E.



And Here is Tim's response.....

Both are correct. We use Gold Dots when we can get them because sooooooo many folks are brainwashed into thinking Gold Dots are better. ( and Gold Dots are good) When we can't get Gold Dots we use the Montana Gold Bullet. Right now, we have Gold Dots in stock. This link may help you. http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...duct_list&c=86

Tim


Ok here's the problem I have with this situation. First he is indirectly calling me, a potential customer, "brainwashed" because I prefer a bullet with a proven track record and also approved by Doc Roberts. And secondly he is trying to convince me that Montana Gold Bullets are just as good. Well everything I have read about Montana Gold says that they are accurate for target shooting but piss poor at expanding and retaining their weight. They are not a defensive bullet and they are not on Doc Roberts recommended list or on anybody elses either for that matter. This just rubbed me wrong so I ended up purchasing from Underwood Ammo instead. I haven't received my underwood ammo to evaluate yet, but when I do, I'll report back

I have considered ordering some .45 Colt from BB, but not now. Far as I'm concerned, his response is inadequate, and not stating that various bullets may be used in the product description is little short of fraud.

[Lt.Smoke]

I have heard a great mix of Good and Bad reviews on Buffalo Bore Products.... I was considering using the 255 Gr FN rounds for carrying when i go on trips and stuff.... People say they are NASTY ammunition

[moxie]

Disturbing.

[Dieselman]

Originally Posted by Rifter

Far as I'm concerned, his response is inadequate, and not stating that various bullets may be used in the product description is little short of fraud.

Well that's kind of how i feel about the whole situation. You know it wouldn't even be so bad if they substituted something else like Remington Golden Saber bullets. At least then you would still be getting a premium defense bullet instead of a target bullet. Or at the very least make it very clear on the website what it is exactly that you are buying ahead of time.

[Dieselman]

Hey SISKIMBER, can you post a pic of your newly purchased BB 230 gr?

[Laudanum]

I usually dont comment on threads like these but ... I agree with moxie; "disturbing" about sums it up.

[chrysanthemum]

Interesting and enlightening.

I can see, or mostly see, both sides of this.

But I believe that a product should be exactly what was marketed ... or it should be an upgrade.

"Just as good" is a phrase we've all heard many times ... but how often are we really happy with such a response or product.

[SISKIMBER]

Originally Posted by Dieselman

Hey SISKIMBER, can you post a pic of your newly purchased BB 230 gr?

sure no problem

[baccusboy]

I am the one who said BB lives up to its claims. I was addressing the fps measurements, but in terms of false advertising with the actual bullets used... yes, they are very guilty of trying to make people think they are selling Gold Dot's when they are loaded with crappy Montana Golds. They've seen enough complaints by now about it -- including from me -- that they know what they're doing.

[SISKIMBER]

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[SISKIMBER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSVXGNWHKE

[Dieselman]

Thanks SISKIMBER for the pics. Those look almost like Golden Saber bullet in your photos but I assume its a Montana Gold bullet. Anyhow, I guess the bottom line here is that as long as you are satisfied with what you have there , then that's really all that matters. I have watched all of tnoutdoors9 videos, I really enjoy the time and effort he puts into them. His amateur research seems to reliably mimic all my amateur research as well. And he does so in an entertaining and understandable way. Happy shooting

[SISKIMBER]

Originally Posted by Dieselman

Thanks SISKIMBER for the pics. Those look almost like Golden Saber bullet in your photos but I assume its a Montana Gold bullet. Anyhow, I guess the bottom line here is that as long as you are satisfied with what you have there , then that's really all that matters. I have watched all of tnoutdoors9 videos, I really enjoy the time and effort he puts into them. His amateur research seems to reliably mimic all my amateur research as well. And he does so in an entertaining and understandable way. Happy shooting

Thank you for the heads up... I will NOT use these rounds... I have ordered some Federal HST 230gr+p.. to give a "shot" pun intended lol

[SISKIMBER]

Here is a email between Tim and myself.. I was asking about the Montana Golds.. here is his response...Tim Sundles [email protected]
8:03 AM (2 hours ago)


They are wrong. Period. There is so much internet BS/opinion out there, that
it is a losing battle. I would not use a bullet that did not work well in my
ammo...........

Tim



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Contact Form Sent

Hi!

A message was sent to you from warren moore on Thu, 10 May 2012 02:00:20
-0400.

Here is their message:

Hi.. I just bought some 230gr jhp 45acp p and have some concerns.. it
appears to have a Montana gold bullet and not a gold dot.. A few people have
informed me that Montana golds and NOT good ammo.... Can you clarify?

[SISKIMBER]

Wow.. I just sent Tim those 2 pics and he admitted they are MGB.. Tim sounds like a jerk...
Here is his response
Yes that is our ammo loaded with the MGB. I’m still trying to figure out the problem. If someone has told you MGB’s don’t work, they are just repeating something that someone told them, that someone told them, that someone told them, etc. and now everyone knows MGB’s don’t work, right?

I’ve been asked this question about MGB’s a few million times and am simply worn out with it.

Tim

[Dieselman]

You will not be disappointed with the Federal HST load. That is top tier high quality ammo. Perhaps arguably even the best 45 load currently on the market .

[Dieselman]

Something else to keep in mind is that I believe some of Buffalo Bore's other products like the 255gr. hard cast and the likes do live up to the stated claims and performance expected. I'm not trying to totally trash the whole company here. If a customer is searching for +p hard ball, buffalo bore is going to make the mark there too. Its just a matter of buyer beware on certain products not all of them. i bet alot of their hard cast revolver caliber loads are excellent choices for people looking for such products. If it wasn't for their shady dealings with bait and switch JHP rounds, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

[SISKIMBER]

Originally Posted by Dieselman

You will not be disappointed with the Federal HST load. That is top tier high quality ammo. Perhaps arguably even the best 45 load currently on the market .

Seems to have wonderful reviews and not using Montana bullets..lol.

Shame really with the BB stuff... Tim really seems to be angry over this whole thing..