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Old 05-01-2012, 04:05 PM
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When someone's shooting back at you, competition skills go out the window
Really?

So guys who have endless practice drawing, getting on target, and hitting targets as fast as they can....will have the disadvantage?
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:26 PM
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At 50 yards both would probably be hit but neither die.COLD.
Depends on whether the USPSA guy is crowding the PF or not...
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:54 PM
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Yeah, that's what I do, look up a John Wayne quote for my tactical training.
Sorry, I didn't realize the seriousness of this thread. If I had I would not have posted so frivolously. At least I wouldn't make the mistake of assessing the amount or quality of someones training or their background by something they posted on the internet.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:16 PM
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Bullseye shooters are not experienced at shooting moving targets. I expect the USPSA shooter would not stand still and could/would shoot on the move.
Exactly.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:40 PM
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:44 PM
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How do you know this?

I think when a guy shoots 30K-100K rounds a year, he may know just a little about shooting a handgun and won't forget it under pressure.
Ran the K9 unit for a prison back in the 80's. Saw a 2 year on the job cop freeze up in a gun fight. When he finally got up the nerve to return fire, he was shot in the forearm of his trigger finger side. That really took him out of this equation. Though it was only a 9mm ball bullet, and he didn't suffer any life altering injuries, his training did not come into play. It can happen from time to time. Adrenaline can be a shooter's worst nightmare.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:35 PM
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:04 PM
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Chuck Norris
^^^Ha!!!!!!

Essentially this is the age-old question involving chicken and eggs.

No correct answer but ill grab the popcorn and point and laugh.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:25 PM
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:36 PM
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Let's face it, if they are both Master Class skill level, it would really be a toss up. I'd say either one has a 50/50 chance.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:16 AM
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:32 AM
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If there is a high noon showdown between a master class bullseye shooter and a master class USPSA shooter , the distance is 50 yards, guns in hands at 45* (since bullseye shooters have no holsters).

Who do you think will win ?
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:46 PM
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How about between Chuck Norris an Steven Segal ?

OK, Just kidding . We can stop now.

The reason for the original post is that not too long ago, there were 2 good shooters in 2 different shooting disciplines, saying that their type of shooting is more practical, better, etc. than the other one. So I just want to see how other people think.

Thanks for the replies.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:29 PM
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Okay, first off, all you USPSA shooters with the Texas-Tick attached to your rump Cool down.

All of you need a remedial reading course, the man said pistols out in hand, no holster.
Two master-class shooters, same gun, assuming same position(He didn't say a word about your Tactical Bob and weave), the winner is whoever gets the first shot off. Now, before you all start talking about the lightning fast reflexes of your USPSA master, think about this; Even at 50 yards, that target is huge compared to a six-inch Bullseye so, the Bullseye shooter isn't going to spend time on a perfect sight-picture, as soon as the gun sees center of mass for either shooter the round is off.

As I said, it's a matter of whoever gets the first shot off.

I can tell you this, bullseye shooters are not idiots tied to dogma. I know this because I shot Three-Gun Bullseye for over seven years. If it's life or death and I'm facing an accomplished shooter, the gun is coming up quick and as soon as center-mass is there the booger-hook hits the bang-switch!
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:40 PM
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Depends, can the bullseye shooter hit the target before the USPSA shooter clears the jam in his racegun?

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Old 05-02-2012, 04:07 PM
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When someone's shooting back at you, competition skills go out the window
Why would you think the M class USPSA shooter would be getting shot at? Hes probably finished with the ULSC before the BE shooter starts his draw.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:38 PM
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Ran the K9 unit for a prison back in the 80's. Saw a 2 year on the job cop freeze up in a gun fight. When he finally got up the nerve to return fire, he was shot in the forearm of his trigger finger side. That really took him out of this equation. Though it was only a 9mm ball bullet, and he didn't suffer any life altering injuries, his training did not come into play. It can happen from time to time. Adrenaline can be a shooter's worst nightmare.
Nothing against our LEO's on this forum, but I bet we all shoot more on a weekend than a 2 yr on the job cop has in his entire 2 yr career.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:49 PM
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:52 PM
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This ^^^ is the most profound statement in this thread. That said, I would add that all else being equal, one would hope that fat people use more soap.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:22 PM
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:25 PM
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:44 PM
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""I can tell you this, bullseye shooters are not idiots tied to dogma.""

I guess this is supposed to mean that action shooters are idiots tied to dogma.
Now you see this a lot. The USPSA/IDPA shooter in a real gunfight will revert to his training and get killed because the things they do in matches aren't tactically sound. But a bullseye shooter is somehow immune to this?


Even if they start with the gun in hand, the bullseye shooter isn't as used to getting they gun up quickly and getting a sight picture. So, I guess they'd both lose. The bullseye shooter will be waiting for that perfect sight picture, and the USPSA shooter will be standing there waiting for the beep. Mark
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:04 PM
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""I can tell you this, bullseye shooters are not idiots tied to dogma.""

I guess this is supposed to mean that action shooters are idiots tied to dogma.
Now you see this a lot. The USPSA/IDPA shooter in a real gunfight will revert to his training and get killed because the things they do in matches aren't tactically sound. But a bullseye shooter is somehow immune to this?


Even if they start with the gun in hand, the bullseye shooter isn't as used to getting they gun up quickly and getting a sight picture. So, I guess they'd both lose. The bullseye shooter will be waiting for that perfect sight picture, and the USPSA shooter will be standing there waiting for the beep. Mark

How far the H@@@ out on left field are you standing?????? I said that because everybody seems to think the Bullseye shooter is going to take his stance, fit the gun in his hand, slowly raise it above the target, bring it back down and start a deliberate squeeze. PUH-LEEEEEZE!

If you look at most of the Master Class Bullseye Shooters, most are either Military or Ex-Military. They will not try to act like they're on the range.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:59 PM
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Yeah, that's what I do, look up a John Wayne quote for my tactical training.
Wyatt Earp had a few words on the subject, as did John Wesley Hardin. The only other documented sharpshooter-gunfighter was Wild Bill Hickok, who didn't have much to say on the subject. Wayne was paraphrasing Earp.

Maybe when targets shoot back, or "bears are armed" there can be a meaningful comparison.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:24 PM
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Nothing against our LEO's on this forum, but I bet we all shoot more on a weekend than a 2 yr on the job cop has in his entire 2 yr career.
I don't disagree with you, and my reference probably doesn't have a lot to do with the thread. I guess I'm saying the guy that can handle the pressure the best would get my bet. I figure a lot of BE shooters are like me, anyway, in that they used to shoot plates and what not, and then went to BE shooting. As a plate shooter, there were a number of guys I shot with better than me, but I figured I got good enough and changed to BE. Personally, I wouldn't know who to bet on since too many guys have experience in both. I'll take the guy that doesn't piss himself when you throw a bunch of M-80's under his feet.
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