Glimmer of hope with Obama appointed SCJ

[mrsurfboard]

I found this encouraging. Maybe she won't be as bad as we thought. Or at least not 100% anti.

http://www.guns.com/justices-scalia-...trip-7352.html

[tmattimore]

You don't get it. The ruling class never want to ban anything for them selves. They just want to protect the poor, unwashed, unsophisticated, ignorant public from hurting themselves.

[Red Dirt Dave]

There are plenty of "Fudds" out there who believe that only classic hunting firearms should be allowed in the hands of the citizen.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting...

But I AM glad that she went.

[WalterGC]

She'll be one of the most liberal, left-wing justices ever.

[DivePanama]

Originally Posted by Red Dirt Dave

There are plenty of "Fudds" out there who believe that only classic hunting firearms should be allowed in the hands of the citizen.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting...

But I AM glad that she went.

Agreed. With that said, I am not impressed. Reminds me of the posturing Kerry did. Unfortunately too many folks will fall for this.

Regards,

[HT77]

Originally Posted by mrsurfboard

I found this encouraging. Maybe she won't be as bad as we thought. Or at least not 100% anti.

http://www.guns.com/justices-scalia-...trip-7352.html

Cool story bro but never trust a left wing elitist with your 2A rights.

[The Right Wing]

Originally Posted by DivePanama

Agreed. With that said, I am not impressed. Reminds me of the posturing Kerry did. Unfortunately too many folks will fall for this.

Regards,

i am going to have to disagree with this. John Kerry did his "hunting trip" during a campaign to try to win us over. lucky he failed miserably to trick us. i hardly find a already appointed and confirmed supreme court justice who no longer "has to impress" us any more, to be anything like a political campaign stunt. do i think she will be the next gun toting, diehard hunter like say..... Uncle Ted. No, i dont think so. but do i think that she is a women who no longer has to prove anything to anyone, there for find this to be very good. absolutely. . even for her to take any interest in guns, or shooting sports is a major victory in my eyes. even if she will not become an advocate for the 2A, do you think this is what Obama wanted when appointing her to the bench? Not to mention this means that she will be spending more time with a much more conservative justice than her self. Hopefully all this will open her eyes some, and make her exactly what Obama did not want out of one of his appointees. Maybe there is a guy sitting in a brake room at some job somewhere tomorrow, who has never fired a gun in his life, who eats up all the anti gun crap from the media, who will read about this, or hear about this. And maybe, just maybe he will think to himself if she enjoys it, maybe i will too. then he asks one of us if we will take him to a range and teach him about responsible gun ownership. then maybe he will like it to, and there will be one more "gun guy" and one less of the anti 2A guys. sorry if i find to much hope in this, but i find that one anti gun person turned pro 2A will sway way more people our way than one of us ever could.

[mrsurfboard]

Originally Posted by The Right Wing

i am going to have to disagree with this. John Kerry did his "hunting trip" during a campaign to try to win us over. lucky he failed miserably to trick us. i hardly find a already appointed and confirmed supreme court justice who no longer "has to impress" us any more, to be anything like a political campaign stunt. do i think she will be the next gun toting, diehard hunter like say..... Uncle Ted. No, i dont think so. but do i think that she is a women who no longer has to prove anything to anyone, there for find this to be very good. absolutely. . even for her to take any interest in guns, or shooting sports is a major victory in my eyes. even if she will not become an advocate for the 2A, do you think this is what Obama wanted when appointing her to the bench? Not to mention this means that she will be spending more time with a much more conservative justice than her self. Hopefully all this will open her eyes some, and make her exactly what Obama did not want out of one of his appointees. Maybe there is a guy sitting in a brake room at some job somewhere tomorrow, who has never fired a gun in his life, who eats up all the anti gun crap from the media, who will read about this, or hear about this. And maybe, just maybe he will think to himself if she enjoys it, maybe i will too. then he asks one of us if we will take him to a range and teach him about responsible gun ownership. then maybe he will like it to, and there will be one more "gun guy" and one less of the anti 2A guys. sorry if i find to much hope in this, but i find that one anti gun person turned pro 2A will sway way more people our way than one of us ever could.

Well said!

[WalterGC]

Why anybody would deduce that Kagan's joining Scalia on this adventure has anything to do with her vision of the 2nd is beyond me. I wouldn't read anything more into this than it was just a social outing for the Justices.

[DivePanama]

Originally Posted by The Right Wing

i am going to have to disagree with this. John Kerry did his "hunting trip" during a campaign to try to win us over. lucky he failed miserably to trick us. i hardly find a already appointed and confirmed supreme court justice who no longer "has to impress" us any more, to be anything like a political campaign stunt. do i think she will be the next gun toting, diehard hunter like say..... Uncle Ted. No, i dont think so. but do i think that she is a women who no longer has to prove anything to anyone, there for find this to be very good. absolutely. . even for her to take any interest in guns, or shooting sports is a major victory in my eyes. even if she will not become an advocate for the 2A, do you think this is what Obama wanted when appointing her to the bench? Not to mention this means that she will be spending more time with a much more conservative justice than her self. Hopefully all this will open her eyes some, and make her exactly what Obama did not want out of one of his appointees. Maybe there is a guy sitting in a brake room at some job somewhere tomorrow, who has never fired a gun in his life, who eats up all the anti gun crap from the media, who will read about this, or hear about this. And maybe, just maybe he will think to himself if she enjoys it, maybe i will too. then he asks one of us if we will take him to a range and teach him about responsible gun ownership. then maybe he will like it to, and there will be one more "gun guy" and one less of the anti 2A guys. sorry if i find to much hope in this, but i find that one anti gun person turned pro 2A will sway way more people our way than one of us ever could.

Disagree as you see fit. I'm still not impressed. As one of posters on that site said:

The 2nd Amendment isn't about the joy of shooting.
When justice Kagan shows any defference to the individual's right to defend themself from the transgressions of the government, up to and including the use of the best modern weaponry available to manufacture... then I'll be relieved.
Untill then all I see is that Kagan likes hiking and target shooting. Buy her a pellet gun and she'll think she has all anyone should have.

Now if Kagan goes public and acknowledges a fundamental shift of her position and declares she acknowledges that the 2A is a basic individual right then I will be impressed. Right now we see plenty of examples of the "elite" (politicians, tv & movie stars, etc...) who are all about themselves being armed but screw average joe citizen.

Yea, I'm a cynic. Nothing about the modern Democratic party or their appointees have yet to change my mind on that when it comes to the 2A or the rest of our rights.

Good day.

[DivePanama]

Originally Posted by WalterGC

Why anybody would deduce that Kagan's joining Scalia on this adventure has anything to do with her vision of the 2nd is beyond me. I wouldn't read anything more into this than it was just a social outing for the Justices.

Agreed.

I give kudo's to Scalia but I am highly suspect of any true change as far as Kagan and her already published position on the 2A.

[BDA45]

Originally Posted by The Right Wing

i hardly find a already appointed and confirmed supreme court justice who no longer "has to impress" us any more, to be anything like a political campaign stunt.

Maybe she is not such an "elitist" after all. Time will tell. But, the example Scalia offers exceeds the general belief that people who supposedly believe as Kagan did/does will not even consider shooting a gun.

[joedel]

In my opinion, the people who think guns are fine for hunting but nothing else are an equal threat (or perhaps a greater threat) to our true gun rights than those who wish to outright repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Dozens and dozens of "pro-hunting" politicians (John Kerry and Harry Reid for example) voted to approve the assault weapons ban and the ban on hi-cap magazines (and would do so again) because they deemed it a "common sense" gun control measure.

[DivePanama]

Good point joedel.

[markbob45]

Most peoples anti 2A views are based strictly on fear and ignorance. Maybe this will help her get past that. I'm going to try and think positive here and hope it changes her position, even if it is just a little. I'm pretty sure that some day we will find out.

[HT77]

The best you can hope for with someone like her is that she might concede its ok to have a hunting rifle provided its locked up in a safe at home when you're not using it.

[FreeVoiceOfAus]

Originally Posted by joedel

In my opinion, the people who think guns are fine for hunting but nothing else are an equal threat (or perhaps a greater threat) to our true gun rights than those who wish to outright repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Dozens and dozens of "pro-hunting" politicians (John Kerry and Harry Reid for example) voted to approve the assault weapons ban and the ban on hi-cap magazines (and would do so again) because they deemed it a "common sense" gun control measure.

Rachel Maddow is another good example, she apparently takes her friends down to the range to shoot for fun, including AR-15's shotguns, etc, but doesn't believe people should own them that they're simply toys for entertainment and completely supports banning their ownship

Turns out she was really good with the shotgun and I was really good with the AR-15. And you know, despite my gun politics, I'm perfectly happy with shooting at a gun club and then leaving the weapons there and driving home

Here's a link to the interview
(I had to use the google cache link because the regular NPR site doesn't want to work for me so I can't find the exact page the quote's on, if anyone can get it tell me and replace the link)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=au

I read about another quote from her during an interview where she described the AR-15 and possibly all guns for that matter as being like a roller-coaster, something that is just for fun but you don't own yourself (even though some people do own them, it's mostly just size, complexity, cost and local zoning laws that restrict ownership).

[Paulee]

Ehh.
Bill Clinton was recently in the news claiming that he had the "gun credentials" to get away with his AWB that Obama did not because Bill had grown up hunting.

Didn't seem to influence his views on the 2A in a positive way.

[ElToro]

Didnt Mitt Romney sign some heinous gun control while he was in office in MA ? now hes a life member of the NRA ?

Even Saint Ron Reagan passed the 1986 FOPA which included the import ban while in office, which made the price of legal machine guns become basically unobtainable even if you live in a free state

[WalterGC]

Just remember guys, Scalia is probably the only man with whom she's had social contact!

[HT77]

Originally Posted by ElToro

Even Saint Ron Reagan passed the 1986 FOPA which included the import ban while in office, which made the price of legal machine guns become basically unobtainable even if you live in a free state

Reagan appointed Scalia. Obummer appointed Kagan. That's all you need to know.

[markbob45]

Sometimes there are surprises. Didn't Reagan (or was it Bush 1) appoint Souter. He's been a disappointment.

[boykinpup]

Kagan, like Obama is a socialist/Marxist. They both have the same CHE' t-shirts.

[HT77]

Originally Posted by markbob45

Sometimes there are suprises. Didn't Reagan (or was it Bush 1) appoint Souter. He's been a disappointment.

Reagan nominated Scalia, OConnor, and Kennedy (after Ted Kennedy and the commie Democrats destroyed his Bork nomination). Wow, how great would it be to have Bork, Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito running the Court with a majority.

[markbob45]

Thanks HT77. I wasn't sure. I knew Souter was a republican pres appointee but wasn't sure which. Kennedy and O'Conner weren't all I hoped for either.
I agree Bork would have been outstanding. But the dems destroyed him just as they tried to do with Thomas. I remember those hearings. What a disgrace. Gotta give Thomas credit for standing up to them, and hanging in there. Couldn't have been easy. They will stop at nothing to get their way. Personal attacks and trying to ruin someones life are part of the game.