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Old 04-25-2012, 09:34 PM
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What opinion? Can you not read? What part of what was said is a threat? How can what was said be construed as a threat? Just what can the president of the united states do to the supreme court of the united states that could be a threat? Rather than rant about this person said this, and this person said that, and because they said things that I like it must be true, why don't you strap on a little critical thinking and take a look at what was said. If you will look at it, he is clearly noting the supreme court's primacy in the question. I'm afraid it's a little more than kool-aid you're drinking my friend.
My reading comprehension is just fine slick, obviously yours isn't. He was very clearly telling the court that they would be wrong to overturn his signature piece of legislation. The interesting part is the timing. As many analysts have noticed, this was clearly an attempt to coerce/influence a certain member of the court. Also what is interesting is how BHO went to length about judicial activism, quite ironic coming a progressive statist. The most amusing part of his tirade is the part where he said,
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extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.
For a "constitutional scholar" he obviously is not too well versed on both the history and the role of the court. Majority rule means squat, especially if it flies in the face of the constraints and checks & balances that are the centerpiece of our Constitutional Republic.

As has been noted already, this president on more that one occasion has taken the unprecedented actions of both chastising and attempting to bully the SCOTUS during his term.

Now be a BHO water carrier if you wish. More power to you. But your attempt to blow smoke here is not going to go unchallenged or as the old country saying goes, "that dog don't hunt".

Now, to bring this back on topic. YES THIS PRESIDENT IS A THREAT TO OUR 2A RIGHT, ALONG WITH THE REST OF OUR LIBERTIES AS CITIZENS OF THIS REPUBLIC. I'm sure you will disagree but then I do not expect anything different from a BHO drone.

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What opinion? Can you not read? What part of what was said is a threat? How can what was said be construed as a threat? Just what can the president of the united states do to the supreme court of the united states that could be a threat? Rather than rant about this person said this, and this person said that, and because they said things that I like it must be true, why don't you strap on a little critical thinking and take a look at what was said. If you will look at it, he is clearly noting the supreme court's primacy in the question. I'm afraid it's a little more than kool-aid you're drinking my friend.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:12 PM
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I've recently notice an increase in anti-gun propaganda in the media, such as the U.S. government stating that 90% of all gun recovered in Mexico came from the U.S. but after a FOX investigation, they found that actually 83% of gun do NOT come form the U.S, only 17% came form the U.S! if you ask me it seems like someones trying to place anti-gun propaganda in our media to severely restrict or even abolish the 2nd amendment. i'm born and raised in California so i know all too well how bad restriction on the 2nd amendment can be!
what do you all think?

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I always welcome frank criticism of the president's agenda and policy decisions, as should we all. But come on. From now on, I'm just going to post this to respond to the crazy conspiracy theory stuff rather than actually attempt to reason with it.


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Old 04-25-2012, 10:29 PM
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Majority rule means squat, especially if it flies in the face of the constraints and checks & balances that are the centerpiece of our Constitutional Republic.

As has been noted already, this president on more that one occasion has taken the unprecedented actions of both chastising and attempting to bully the SCOTUS during his term.
Correct. A law passed by a strong majority of Congress is still restrained by the Constitution, and since Marbury v. Madison, the SCOTUS can overturn laws passed by Congress that exceed their Constitutional authority. Admitting as much doesn't make for compelling political talking points, though. And politicians on both sides are just as guilty of ignoring the role of the Supreme Court; I recall Gingrich making an off-the-cuff remark about sending in the Capitol Police to arrest so-called "activist judges" or something to that effect.

I don't think Obama has an articulable anti-gun agenda, though others may disagree with that. As with any president, the primary 2A concern would come from judicial appointees, not legislation.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:56 PM
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How about some of the real quotes (taken from Reuters):

"Ultimately, I am confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress,"

Further:

"And I'd just remind conservative commentators that, for years, what we have heard is, the biggest problem on the bench was judicial activism, or a lack of judicial restraint, that an unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law...Well, this is a good example, and I'm pretty confident that this court will recognize that and not take that step,"

You guys need to get the tinfoil hats off. There is no threat here and I fail to see how the President of the United States could threaten the Supreme Court. What's he going to do? Send in the Marines? Neither did he state that the Supreme Court doesn't have the right to strike down a law. Just the opposite, it sure sounds to me like he recognized the Court's authority here. A political speech. Lot's of them made everyday by lots of politicians.
Off topic but what is a strong majority? Is 7 more votes a strong majority? As I believe it was 219-212 in favor. In my opinion that is not a STRONG majority but I am sure you see it different.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:23 PM
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....... I recall Gingrich making an off-the-cuff remark about sending in the Capitol Police to arrest so-called "activist judges" or something to that effect.

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I remember that also and cringed when I heard it.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:26 AM
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that is your opinion. Just as it was the opinion of many political analysts, commentators, a court that requested clarification, a former law student of bho that wrote on this, quite a few former judges, and many average joe citizens, that this was a thinly disguised attempt to threaten and intimidate the court.

Believe as you wish but your opinion is only that, an opinion. The humorous part is that most clear thinking folks do not see it your way.

You tell folks to to get rid of their "tin foil hats". I could say the same about you and whatever kool-aid you have been imbibing.

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My reading comprehension is just fine slick, obviously yours isn't. He was very clearly telling the court that they would be wrong to overturn his signature piece of legislation. The interesting part is the timing. As many analysts have noticed, this was clearly an attempt to coerce/influence a certain member of the court. Also what is interesting is how BHO went to length about judicial activism, quite ironic coming a progressive statist. The most amusing part of his tirade is the part where he said, For a "constitutional scholar" he obviously is not too well versed on both the history and the role of the court. Majority rule means squat, especially if it flies in the face of the constraints and checks & balances that are the centerpiece of our Constitutional Republic.

As has been noted already, this president on more that one occasion has taken the unprecedented actions of both chastising and attempting to bully the SCOTUS during his term.

Now be a BHO water carrier if you wish. More power to you. But your attempt to blow smoke here is not going to go unchallenged or as the old country saying goes, "that dog don't hunt".

Now, to bring this back on topic. YES THIS PRESIDENT IS A THREAT TO OUR 2A RIGHT, ALONG WITH THE REST OF OUR LIBERTIES AS CITIZENS OF THIS REPUBLIC. I'm sure you will disagree but then I do not expect anything different from a BHO drone.

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And did you also not see Obama during his State of the Union address in 2010 attempt to intimidate the Supreme Court after the Citizens United decision went against him? It was extremely un-presidential and unprecedented. The man is a narcissistic dictator wannabe and instead of the President of the United States he is better suited to being a banana republic dictator.



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Old 04-26-2012, 12:39 AM
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Off topic but what is a strong majority? Is 7 more votes a strong majority? As I believe it was 219-212 in favor. In my opinion that is not a STRONG majority but I am sure you see it different.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:27 AM
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Do I think Barack Obama would like to repeal the 2nd Amendment? Yes.

Does he have a hope in Hell of doing that? No.

Barack Obama is many things but he is not stupid so he'll never come out and publicly advocate something that he knows has zero chance of happening, particularly if that advocacy would likely alienate a significant number of potential voters for him and his Party.

It still puzzles me though how some can conclude that an ultra-left wing Democrat politician from Chicago (one of the true Mecca's of anti-gun advocacy) is somehow not anti-gun at his core merely because he hasn't, due to a number of reasons beyond his control, been able to advance that particular belief legislatively.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:17 AM
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If the unthinkable happens and Obama is reelected, expect troops entering all homes and seizing your firearms.

Jan 5th at the latest....Mark my words.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:58 AM
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Obama can't abolish the 2nd amendment. He simply can't.

But what he hopes for and no one here seems to mention it is the hope of liberal judges interpreting the 2nd in the way that it only is for government militias, not individuals. Many liberals believe this, one judge actual mentioned it. Look at the ACLU definition of the 2nd amendment. The supreme court is a judge or three from being Obama controlled.

This is exactly why we must vote for Romney.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:17 AM
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Obama can't abolish the 2nd amendment. He simply can't.

But what he hopes for and no one here seems to mention it is the hope of liberal judges interpreting the 2nd in the way that it only is for government militias, not individuals. Many liberals believe this, one judge actual mentioned it. Look at the ACLU definition of the 2nd amendment. The supreme court is a judge or three from being Obama controlled.

This is exactly why we must vote for Romney.

Yes, that's been mentioned several times in other threads.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:36 AM
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I called the ACLU years ago and asked the man on the phone why the ACLU is such an advocate for all the freedoms in the Bill of Rights except the 2A. The man seemed sympathetic to the question and sad it was a topic of dispute in the organization and there were some who argued they should support 2A. If thats true we know who wins the argument. Or he could have been feeding me a load of bs. They are lawyers.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:38 AM
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Obama is the best thing to happen to guns since the 1911 or at least the gunmakers believe so LOL.

In all seriousness though, deep down inside I'm sure Obama is anti-gun, anti-2nd amendment. If he could get passed some type of anti-gun legislation he probably would.

Since 2007 he has been campaigning, through his first term he has been campaining, not governing, and has not had the luxary of a democrat controlled congress to pass an anti-gun agenda anymore, he used that up with Obamacare.

I believe he thinks congress and the supreme court are just obstacles that are in his way, he doesn't want to answer to anyone but himself. The main issues we will have with a 2nd term of Obama will be court appointees, the possibility of appointees for the SCOTUS, and executive orders.

As long as the house and maybe the senate remains in the hands of Republicans, Obama will not be able to legally pass and anti-gun legislation. Executive orders on the other hand, he will most likely do 1 a day LOL.

I don't like the man, I hope he doesn't get re-elected, but I am not hopeful to that fact.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:51 AM
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saread,

I personally never said he was a "threat"....

I simply said he "questioned" the duties of the supreme court. He said they'd make the right decision but he also commented on they shouldn't turn over the rule...

I think commentators took it as a threat... I took it at face value, that he doesn't believe the judicial branch has equal power to the other two.

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:53 AM
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bad2006z71 makes good points.
My only addition would be that for his first 2 years BO had an overwhelmingly democrat congress. Fortunatly there are pro gun dems. Plus even the ones that aren't pro 2A but come from districts were gun control is not popular wouldn't touch the issue. They want to keep their jobs above all else.
The dem leadership and big city representatives will always support gun control but can't do it alone, yet.
The problem with even pro gun dems is they will vote for leadership like Pelosi.
and if she thinks she can ram something thru she will try.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:57 AM
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Markbob45:

True, one thing worse than a 2nd term of Obama is another round of Queen botox as house leader.

I do believe a lot of the blue-dog and pro gun democrats were defeated in 2010, fall out from obamacare. I have heard the arguement, and I think it is a valid arguement, that the democrats in the congress and senate now are more liberal than before the 2010 fallout.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:59 AM
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:08 AM
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I don't think even BHO can outright disregard the 2nd amendment or forcibly remove the guns in circulation- there would be an awful lot of armed citizens resisting that particular move - which would result in an even larger problem for him should he try that tactic.

However - I can easily see a sideways move by the epa banning all exposed lead in homes, banning lead casting/smelting/working based on noxious gas and cancer crap. They'll come at us through child welfare just like lead and zinc paints and various cleaning chemicals banned through the years.

I can also see a ban on gunpowder and primers being classified as "usable as terror weapons" just as there are now limits on private purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizer from the Oklahoma city stuff.

I can see them coming at us through insurance companies. Mandating a federal surcharge on home/life insurance if you own a gun under the pretense of "easing the legal burden on the state" for handling gun related court cases. I can also see insane insurance/environmental requirements for gun ranges, driving the operating cost so high, or driving the liability lawsuit threats so extreme that no one can afford or is willing to keep one open

I can also see factory ammunition being registered just like guns, manufacturers having massive environmental levies placed against them, making the cost of bullets so prohibitive that we might as well buy Gold...

While they cannot take away our right to own guns easily, they can make the paperwork so deep to actually use them, and the fee's to keep them in our homes so unrealistic that most people will be intimidated right out of a purchase.

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Old 04-26-2012, 09:14 AM
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I don't think even BHO can outright disregard the 2nd amendment or forcibly remove the guns in circulation- there would be an awful lot of armed citizens resisting that particular move - which would result in an even larger problem for him should he try that tactic.

However - I can easily see a sideways move by the epa banning all exposed lead in homes, banning lead casting/smelting/working based on noxious gas and cancer crap. They'll come at us through child welfare just like lead and zinc paints and various cleaning chemicals banned through the years.

I can also see a ban on gunpowder and primers being classified as "usable as terror weapons" just as there are now limits on private purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizer from the Oklahoma city stuff.

I can see them coming at us through insurance companies. Mandating a federal surcharge on home/life insurance if you own a gun under the pretense of "easing the legal burden on the state" for handling gun related court cases.

I can also see factory ammunition being registered just like guns, manufacturers having massive environmental levies placed against them, making the cost of bullets so prohibitive that we might as well buy Gold...

While they cannot take away our right to own guns easily, they can make the paperwork so deep to actually use them, and the fee's to keep them in our homes so unrealistic that most people will be intimidated right out of a purchase.

That is exactly the kind of things Rahm Emanuel is trying to do here in Illinois. I believe if he is even partially successful here you will see those things tried in other states and the feds. We are BO's testing lab.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:21 AM
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YES THIS PRESIDENT IS A THREAT TO OUR 2A RIGHT, ALONG WITH THE REST OF OUR LIBERTIES AS CITIZENS OF THIS REPUBLIC.
+1.

Say "No" to a second BHO term.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:48 AM
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I still do not understand how Obama's supporters on here have not grasped how Obama's "vision" for the country is very dangerous not only for the 2A but every other right specified in the Constitution. Obama's very obvious view, which is in direct conflict with the view of the Founding Father's (who created a Constitution to limit government), is that the Constitution is a vehicle for the majority to rule over the minority. In other word's Obama's goal for "changing America" is to overthrow our constitutional republic and install a democracy of ignorance with ever increasing power for the federal government. "Rights" to him are things like government health care and government student loans and government housing and government supplied food instead of things that restrict the government like free speech and bearing arms. And his Supreme Court appointments, Kagan and Sotomayor, fit his agenda perfectly. And its sad to say that his vision is now the vision for the Democrat Party as a whole, since it has been completely taken over by socialists, fascists and other big government tyrants.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:50 AM
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You guys need an "I hate Obama and all liberals" sub-forum. That way, everyone else doesn't have to read the same opinion stated over and over and over again under the disguise of a different thread... Obama has been a blessing for the gun industry.
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[QUOTE=HT77;3837976] Obama's very obvious view, which is in direct conflict with the view of the Founding Father's (who created a Constitution to limit government),QUOTE]

Yeah? How's that "limited" government been working out for the last 200 years or so? Obama sure isn't alone in wanting bigger government, it's been getting bigger every year since 1776.

Government has gotten huge and bloated and it did that a long time before Obama took office.

but I agree, he should go.
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Obama has been a blessing for the gun industry.
Where have I heard this talking point before? Only because of the fear he creates have sales increased. Doesn't sound like much of a blessing for the long haul. Recall that hard core leftists just like Obama attempted to put the gun industry out of business through outrageous and politically motivated product liability suits until Republicans passed legislation protecting gun makers from them.
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