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Old 03-07-2012, 07:08 AM
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Best 9mm 1911




Over all of y'alls experience, what is the best 9mm 1911 y'all have seen? I'm going to be building a bullseye gun out of it so accuracy is a fair part of the equation. I also do not want to have to take out a second mortgage on my house. I have one high end 1911 so I'm tempted to go for the mid to low end to see what its all about.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:59 AM
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You want to know about the best 9mm 1911 , and then you want to build a bullseye gun from a mid to low end ?
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:48 AM
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Best 9mm 1911

The word "best" can mean a lot of different things to different people.

For building a relatively inexpensive Bullseye 1911 9mm, I would purchase an STI Spartan ($630), a Kart 9mm barrel ($200), and send it off to Clark custom guns to have the barrel fitted and let them decide if a new bushing is needed. You may also want to call Clark Custom and ask their preference for an accurate 1911 9mm barrel.

The STI Spartan has a parkerized finish, but this won't affect accuracy and helps to keep the costs down.
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:10 PM
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Check out the 9mm 1911 question in a prior post. http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=355862

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Old 03-07-2012, 03:05 PM
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I have a seven year old Wilson Combat Professional in 9mm; which I got used last year.

It's still in great shape and shoots flawlessly. I use it in IDPA matches, but don't shoot Bullseye as you do.

That said; I believe that any W/C you buy would be an accurate pistol.

The base price for a Professional in '11 was $2600. plus. This year it's $2900. plus.

That seems like a good investment to me.

However, I think a Baer Custom 1911 is a great deal for the cost (as you know; as a Baer owner); and the Baer "hard fit" barrel system would likely produce a better gun for Bullseye.

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Old 03-08-2012, 07:38 AM
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You want to know about the best 9mm 1911 , and then you want to build a bullseye gun from a mid to low end ?
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The reason I said mid to low end was because at the bullseye line some people who shoot expert and higher scores shoot a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec that has been accurized by Clark or one of the other custom houses. That is my plan for a gun for the Centerfire leg of the match.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:50 AM
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The reason I said mid to low end was because at the bullseye line some people who shoot expert and higher scores shoot a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec that has been accurized by Clark or one of the other custom houses. That is my plan for a gun for the Centerfire leg of the match.
All I can add is, getting a 9mm to get the accuracy you will need at 50yds, can be a challenge.
I would talk to your Bullseye smith, and see what they would prefer for a base gun...
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:05 AM
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Yes, I understand about the part that you want to build a gun w/ low budget , the part about the best 9mm 1911 is what I did not understand.

Anyway , I think the best way to do it w/o spending a whole lot is getting a matching frame and slide from Caspian , that way the smith has something good to start out w/ and not wasting a lot of time correcting things.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:08 AM
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Springfield Armory loaded. It has never missed a beat from day one. It has a ramped barrel and Novak sights.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:41 AM
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If you don't want to spend Baer money, I'd probably go with an STI Trojan at $1000. If that's still too high, STI Spartan.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:43 AM
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9MM CAN BE ACCURATE ENOUGH FOR BULLSEYE AT 50YDS
LEFT HAND GROUP 10RDS AT 50 YDS, RIGHT HAND GROUP 24RDS AT 50YDS
WHY 24RDS? IN PPC THATS WHAT WE SHOOT AT EACH 50YD STAGE.


LOWER RIGHT HAND GUN IS MY BULLSEYE 9MM FOR CENTERFIRE.

ALL ARE ROCK RIVER ARMS.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:16 AM
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I just bought a Kimber Ultra Carry 2 in 9mm and love it. I feel like the 9mm works perfectly for a 3" barrel. Not too much kick, but still enough punch to take someone down if you decide to carry it. Besides, you can't really go wrong with a Kimber.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:51 PM
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Why not build a .38 Super? More reliable in a 1911,way more versatile cartridge,much greater range of powders useable in it,probably more accurate to boot..Brass is just a little more expensive.As far as the "best" 1911?I don't think any 1911 these days is "JUNK" but the more you pay,the better the gun you get.A particular Springfield could be as accurate as a Les Baer out of the box,but more than likely that any Les Baer,Wilson,STI,ETC, will be more accurate than a Springfield,just the way it is,you get what you pay for..If you buy a top end gun from Baer,Wilson,Clark,ETC,you won't end up sending your gun to one of the same mentioned names to "fix" it.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:24 PM
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Why not build a .38 Super? More reliable in a 1911,way more versatile cartridge,much greater range of powders useable in it,probably more accurate to boot.
I havent thought of a Super. Are they really that much more accurate than a 9mm? I also thought about sending of a pistol to Clark and letting them do the 38 special conversion. I'm just seeing what other people like to do since these are untested waters for me. Y'all are the knowledge pool.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:51 PM
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Matt, .38 Super is a great round and works beautifully in a 1911 format. What I don't get is a conversion to a .38 Special round. Would that lipped case even work in a 1911? I've never heard of this so I don't know the answer to this question.

Even if it did work, it is such a anemic round by comparison that I would think it would be an enormous waste of money. Just get a little Ruger LCR and stick it in your pocket. You sure would save a boatload of money.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:08 PM
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"Back in the day" Colt made .38 Special 1911s/conversions. They were strictly a target gun set-up, for use with wadcutter bullets seated nearly flush with the end of the case.
When loaded to spec, this ammo had great accuracy potential in a properly prepped 1911.

However, I don't believe they shared the same slide/breechface of the .38 Super or 9mm.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:19 PM
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"Back in the day" Colt made .38 Special 1911s/conversions. They were strictly a target gun set-up, for use with wadcutter bullets seated nearly flush with the end of the case.
When loaded to spec, this ammo had great accuracy potential in a properly prepped 1911.

However, I don't believe they shared the same slide/breechface of the .38 Super or 9mm.
Thanks emptymag. I appreciate the information and the education.
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:23 AM
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Thanks for the input. I have a couple of .38's for carry. Small snubbies that work perfectly for the purpose. I'm just trying to get the most accurate target pistol possible so carry is not in the future. Thanks for the help.

I'll definitely look at the 38 super pistol especially since a number of manufacturers already make them and its not a special order type caliber.

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Old 03-09-2012, 10:46 AM
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An STI TargetMaster right out of the box probably would suit your needs.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:51 PM
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I like odd guns,I have a new Essex frame I got DIRT cheap,20 bucks,I decided to build something wild.Don't know if any of you guys remember the Oglesby & Oglesby Witchdoctor,but I'm copying one in .38 Special just for craps and giggle.It has a full underlug with a block up front that has the bushing in it,so the bushing is part of the frame.The original gun had a comp cut in the block,I'm not putting in a comp,since it's really not necessary with the .38 round.I'm rechambering a 7" .38 Super barrel,and it turns out,the Specials feed just fine from a .38 Super mag.I'm using a .40 slide,since the barrel lug on a 40/10 is the same small hood that's on a Super barrel,and the 40 has nearly the same size cartridge base dimension as the Special..Here's an old add for the Witchdoctor from the early 90's.Mine is gonna have custom Bullseye style grips,haven't decided on sights yet.I want to make it look like a big S&W 41.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:38 AM
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LOU D that sounds awesome. Let me know how that turns out. Seems like a neat project.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:43 AM
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Are they really that much more accurate than a 9mm?
Not necessarily. 9mm ammo can be as accurate out to 50 yards, or further, as anything. You have to remember, get rid of all the variables and the bullet goes to the same spot everytime, some just get there a little slower, such as the 9 vrs the .38 sup. Not everyone sells .38 super, as well, including some large chain sporting goods centers (Bass Pro, for example, at least none of the one's down here carry it).

The Smith and Wesson Pro series, IMO, would be your best out of the box 9mm 1911, for what you want to do. If you want to start with an inexpensive base gun, look at a number of what ever model you choose and get the one that feels the tightest. If you refit some parts, you still want your slide to frame mate to be tight. I looked at 13 PT 1911 9mm's at a show before I chose the one I felt was the best, and it did not disappoint. $518 OTD.
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