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Old 02-29-2012, 01:38 PM
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Getting ready to buy a gun safe... Heritage?




I went to my LGS today to look into what gun safes and they carry the Heritage lines.

I really like the Centennial series for its price point and its features... the cx3960 model really tickles my fancy.

Does anyone have any reviews on this company? The sales rep was telling me that they are #2 in the residential gun safe business and she has been with them for the past 15 years.

They said they can deliver the safe but they leave it on the wooden pallet so that moisture doesnt build up between the safe and the concrete as to prevent rust? I dont want my safe sitting on a pallet waiting for someone to wheel it away... i dont need it bolted down though as i may be moving in a year or so.

http://www.heritagesafe.com/pdfs/Her...ial-Series.pdf

Any help would be greatly appreciated as i would like to get this over and done with...
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:31 PM
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Ordered mine direct from Heritage and saved $400 even after hiring the moving company. Love mine - got a Centennial also.

Made a post here 3-4 months ago about my experience. Any questions dont hesitate to ask.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:38 PM
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If you are not going to bolt it down then don't buy a safe. A safe is a neon sign that says here are my guns and valuables. It is too easy to
1: haul away with a dolly. Most likely the dolly you have in your garage.
2: Push the safe over and use a pry-bar to open in 30 sec. Pry-bar is in your garage

Wait until you move and then buy a safe you can bolt down. As always a determined thief is an unstoppable thief. You can buy a safe 10 times as much and still can be broken into.

Make sure you use the proper sleeves in the concrete or if on a raised foundation use metal straps or angel iron underneath the floor joist so it can't just be ripped threw a little plywood.

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:49 PM
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Ordered mine direct from Heritage and saved $400 even after hiring the moving company. Love mine - got a Centennial also.

Made a post here 3-4 months ago about my experience. Any questions dont hesitate to ask.
i cant seem to find the post you made. Did you cross shop with any other companies? i was looking at American Security but Heritage seems to offer alot of bang for the buck.

I dont want to leave the safe on the Dolly... i dont plan on leaving it unbolted if i dont move... but i dont want to go through the hassle if i have to move it again in a short period of time.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:57 PM
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Safes have 2 different types of ratings, I don't know a whole lot about them but this is one of them. 1 is a fire proof factor and the other is a break in ( or something like that) rating. Make sure that you know what you are getting. Some places like Tractor supply have monster size safes, but all could be opened rather quickly due to low end design, again you get what ya pay for. I have a safe called a Secure All. It actually has an inner and an outer wall, has a high break in rating and actually weighs 2,000 lbs. It was a lot of money but I keep a fair amount of stuff inside. Good luck.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:58 PM
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It's no hassle to bolt it down. It's more hassle to replace what could get stolen. Don't make it easy for them. This was just covered...

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=352653
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:27 PM
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i cant seem to find the post you made. Did you cross shop with any other companies? i was looking at American Security but Heritage seems to offer alot of bang for the buck.

I dont want to leave the safe on the Dolly... i dont plan on leaving it unbolted if i dont move... but i dont want to go through the hassle if i have to move it again in a short period of time.
sorry different forum. Here you go...

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=62156

I looked at safes for a long time and stressed over the "you must buy this, you must do this, you suck if you dont get this". Everyone means well but not everyone can afford/wants/needs the Fuhrer Bunker.

I applaud you for making the decision to do something to secure your guns. Its an extra step for any burglar (probably a slim chance of happening) but more importantly it will keep family young ones away from your stuff.

I ordered direct from Heritage after looking local. My safe dealer wanted to charge me $400 delivery from Heritage than $400 to move it into my house. Heritage includes delivery in their pricing - savings $400. They take it off the truck and rolled it right up to my garage door same as your safe seller is offering.

I did my homework and got a moving company experienced in safe moves. $350 dollars and 45 minutes they had the safe in my house, cleaned up and drove away. I feared that having to buy than GC this project was going to be an ass ache and I would have my new safe sitting in the weather while the snow fell because somewhere I dropped the ball. It actually could not have gone better because I got my ducks in the row and Heritage was willing to work with me and my movers schedule.

I contacted their VP of sales I will return here with his email address. Please tell him Phil who bought a great sandstone safe off him back in November couldnt be happier.

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What I ordered

CX3966T (39” wide x 66” tall x 28” deep [body only])
950 pounds
Made at our Grace, ID factory!
Sandstone Textured Paint
Standard door utility system
2 full width top shelves
$2114.00 (includes curbside freight)
Black chrome accent and 5 spoke spinner with black chrome S&G spin dial lock hardware add of $60.00

Total cost for manufacturing and shipping to be billed to my credit card on arrival at your Ohio shipping point - $2174.00

And this quote was what I was charged. I got a bigger safe buying direct from Heritaghe for the money i was going to spend local. Please note these things fill up quick. After you get your safe contact me about Rick Vining from "Man About Racks". I just got two of his racks to store my pistols in the safe and they are great looking and big space savers.

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Old 02-29-2012, 03:37 PM
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sweet deal! i look forward to the contact info.
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:47 PM
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PS - I did cross shop with others companies under one condition their offerings were made in the USA. Heritage gave the best bang for the buck and met what I felt would be risk assessment needs. My most important consideration is to keep kids out of the dangerous stuff. Fire protection - I think I get 45 minutes or 60 minutes. I dont have much faith in the fire protection capabilities of any safe considering smoke infiltration and what its causticity will do to firearm finishes anyway - upping your homeowners insurance to cover full replacement may be a better idea. There is a marked police cruiser in front of my house just about 16/7. That can either be a plus or minus a) it says do not come here cop inside or it says b) the cruiser is sitting and the family car is gone lets go steal his guns. If the bad guys want your guns they will get them.
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:58 PM
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pmclaine, good post. I have a different brand safe but wanted to mention the small heater tube that was recommended when I bought mine... sometimes these safes are in cool areas (like a basement that has some moisture) and there is a small "heater", maybe 15" long in the shape of a wand that stays warm and reduces the moisture (that is the claim at least). It was $20-30 and has lifetime warranty.. I just check once in a while to make sure it is warm.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:02 PM
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Heritage makes real nice safes and its a good decision to make it more difficult to access and steal your valubles & firearms. Even with a safe bolted down given enough time and right tools the pros can pry it up to defeat the bolts and get into your safe. Nothing is 100% secure but at least you have made the best effort you can at this time to secure your guns from unauthorized access. Good luck with your safe when you get it.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:02 PM
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Here's what I did to prevent moisture entrapment between the bottom of the safe and the concrete floor.

Get the safe off the pallet. It's an invite to steal it.

Get you some 1 inch wide, 1/8 inch thich furring strips. Put 3 or 4 of them under your safe spaced out evenly. Pull the bottom liner out of the safe and drill your anchor holes and then bolt it down. All you need is that 1/8 inch space for air to circulate under the safe and the moisture issue goes away.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:26 PM
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My wife and I have one of the Heritage Residential Security containers.

That is what they sell. They do not sell safes. We are pretty happy with it as a, keep the knuckleheads, crackheads, children and want to be burglars out of our stuff. However we understand that a residential security container is merely an inconvenience to a professional burglar. You would do well to keep that in mind.
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Old 02-29-2012, 09:25 PM
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I have a Heritage Centennial CX3666 which I don't know if they make anymore. The 3666 is 36"W x 66"H x 28"D The 3960 is 39"W and 60"H... If I were you, I'd get the 66" high. My first safe is a National Security Safe Classic 24. National was bought out by Liberty which is a quality safe as well. My Classic 24 is equivalent to a Liberty Lincoln 25.

Anyway, my point is I knew pretty quick I was getting a bigger safe next time and so I got one wider and taller. Taller gives you extra shelf space which I needed badly as my handgun collection grew. Plus it ads 150 lbs to the safe you want. CX3966 is 950 lbs vs 800. Only a couple hundred more. Buy once, cry once.

The Heritage is a quality safe and I don't not believe it can be pried open. I have seen the video on you tube of guys prying open a safe and I doubt anybody is going to pry open a Heritage safe of this size which has 16 one and a quarter inch locking bolts in a solid 3/8" steel door.
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Old 02-29-2012, 09:57 PM
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I fired off an email to the heritage rep and cant wait to hear back.... I convinced a couple buddies of mine to help me move the beast and hopefully i can upgrade to the 3966 model if the price is right...
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:07 PM
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A 950 lb safe is a beast to move. No joke, that kind of weight can crush a dude. Buy some 1" dowel rods, tip the safe up and get a couple rods under it. Start to roll and keep adding rods. As they come out the back put them back under the front. You can roll the sucker anywhere you want without fear of it tipping over. If you have to go up or down a staircase, hire a professional.
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:08 PM
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Good idea! And no steps.... All on the same floor :-)
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:10 PM
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pmclaine, thanks for that tip on Man About Racks. That's awesome! He'll be getting some of my money real soon.

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Old 02-29-2012, 10:31 PM
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I have had my Heritage safe for about 15 yrs now and highly endorse the product. We moved to Colorado eight years ago and had the moving company move safe in the our move. They laid it down on its side on a four-wheel dolly, wheeled it into house, then stood it up. Made it look easy.
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:16 AM
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Mine was rolled from curbside to basement. The movers had aluminum ramp plates, narrow rolling pump jacks, protection rugs and protection plate for my wifes pergo floor in the basement. They had three guys and a truck full of tools. It was $350. I gave them money for their next days lunch as a tip. They broke something their insurance owned it. They came to my house beforehand to scout it out and plann for any problems.

I think using your friends instead of pros will cost you more in beer and food alone never mind spackle, scratches to your new safe and an emergency room visit.

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Old 03-01-2012, 07:30 AM
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you may have a point... my locksmith, who's been to my house before, quoted me a rough ~$800 to get it from my garage around back to the basement and placed in my back room...

I think i may have to look into a professional moving service.
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:37 AM
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Check under "riggers" in the yellow pages for a safe mover or heavy lift specialist. I think the guysd I worked with typically install air handlers in buildings and a safe is just another heavy box to their train of thought.

I believe the total depth of the 39x66 is 29.5" (From back of safe to the hinge blocks - widest measurement before handles are attached to the hub). Make sure whatever door you bring it through will pass the safe with an inch or so to spare. I was concerned about the one door I had to negotiate it was about 29.75" for an opening with the door off its hinges. I removed the door and its frame for a safety margin and that got me 31.5" +/-. The pros never even slowed down for this opening. It really was great watching guys that know what they are doing work.

$800 seems like a lot of money. I'm in the Boston market and I'd figure I'm in one of the more expensive areas.

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Old 03-01-2012, 07:45 AM
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I came across this video:

http://cesafes.com/

He is a salesman, so take it for what it is, but does a good job explaining different qualities in a safe.

Also do a search on YouTube for safe cracking.
You may be surprised how easy is to get into one....
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Old 03-01-2012, 08:12 AM
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http://www.patriotsafe.com/American-...ion_p_551.html


If you make the salesman sweat alittle for a week or so, they drop the price down to around $2500 delivered. Also I would wait until the move to get one.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:14 PM
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I fired off an email to the heritage rep and cant wait to hear back.... I convinced a couple buddies of mine to help me move the beast and hopefully i can upgrade to the 3966 model if the price is right...
You need to go to the retailers who sell safes and find out who moves and delivers them for them. If you were in my tri-state area I could give you the number of a pro that does it for $150. He put both mine in my basement. Has a hydraulic dolly of sorts that can step the stairs with the safe strapped to it. Pretty slick piece of equipment.

Most places that sell safes particularly if they sell a lot of them has somebody to deliver without costing themselves or the customer hundreds of dollars. Find out who that guy is in your area. The guy here delivers for dealers big and small in 3 states. OH, IN, KY. Pete's Safe and Vault Moving LLC if anybody in the tri-state is reading and wondering.
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