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Old 02-27-2012, 04:15 PM
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Hydra-shok vs HST




I know that the Hydra-shok is the older of the 2, but is one really better than the other. Currently I have the Hydra-shok for my home defense rounds, and when I get my CCW will more than likely carry them as well. But I have heard that the HST's are a better round.

I know that both rounds have their +'s and -'s. Either way, what's your opinions. Just curious.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:09 PM
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Can't speak for hydra-shock but my dept. uses HST and we are happy with it. Shoot a box of each side by side, then choose.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:31 PM
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Honestly, HST is a better round, but I wouldn't sweat it. Use up your Hydra-shok as you rotate through them, if you want. The Hydras have a higher failure rate through clothing, for example, but still they're gonna end up working like ball, which some people just carry because they think is plenty anyway. It is a .45, after all. Or use them up practicing. The Hydra's will recoil about the same in practice. It's more about shot placement, anyway.

If I were buying now, I'd get the HST's, but seeing as you already have the Hyra-shok, just use them. Police have used them for years.

Maybe this will help you decide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0515AxzA5c

Here's what the HST's look like when expanded, along with Winchester Ranger-T's... sorry they are not identical tests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmQ1E...eature=related



By the way, cheapest places to get all of these rounds are mahsupplies.net and sgammo.com

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Old 02-27-2012, 11:58 PM
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Can't speak for hydra-shock but my dept. uses HST and we are happy with it. Shoot a box of each side by side, then choose.
This.

If money is a factor, choose the cheapest. You can't go wrong with either, assuming they both feed.

I carry hydra-shok, it funtions great in my pistols, a solid record, and I've got a few boxes in the backroom. I don't see a reason to change right now.
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:38 AM
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I think the lesser known Federal "Vital Shok" rounds (which I believe they market as hunting loads) actually have better safety glass and denim penetration. The article is listed below but I didn't read it lately and don't have time right now but it seems pretty thorough.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De...dex.htm#.45ACP
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:37 AM
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I think the lesser known Federal "Vital Shok" rounds (which I believe they market as hunting loads) actually have better safety glass and denim penetration. The article is listed below but I didn't read it lately and don't have time right now but it seems pretty thorough.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De...dex.htm#.45ACP
I believe I read somewhere that these older Federal 45D hollowpoints actually performed quite well, too.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federa...grain-ammo-45d
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:59 AM
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HST has the core bonded to the jacket, which helps keep the bullet intact instead of breaking apart.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:21 PM
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HST has the core bonded to the jacket, which helps keep the bullet intact instead of breaking apart.
Actually, HST is not a bonded load.

Federal Tactical Bonded is.

As to HST vs. Hydrashok, yes, it is a better load from the standpoint of having deeper penetration, more consistent expansion, and better performance through barriers.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:41 PM
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I'm a fan of the HST and carry the 230g .45 flavor in my 1911's and the 147g 9mm in my Glock 19. I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the Hydra-shok has a reputation for plugging and not expanding.
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:41 PM
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http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104372280

Has anyone heard of these? I'm not sure. Kinda intersted, but I don't know.
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Federal's guard dog ammo is a rehash of their older EFMJ load.

The principle behind them is the same as the hornady critical defense and corgon powerball, save for having the jacket over the plug making it a ball round, sort of.

They work okay, and are better than fmj ball, from a expands-and-leaves-a-bigger-hole standpoint, but their consistency is not as good as hst or ranger or any of the other major loads.

The big concern with these is their light weight. Light weight loads in .45acp have a tendency to deflect and fail to penetrate adequately.

If one had a need for this, say for use in New Jersey, they're not bad. But a proven hollowpoint is a better choice.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:59 AM
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I carry the hst. I've seen what they can do.
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I carry the hst. I've seen what they can do.
HST and Ranger are both good designs with good effect on target.
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Actually, HST is not a bonded load.

Federal Tactical Bonded is.

As to HST vs. Hydrashok, yes, it is a better load from the standpoint of having deeper penetration, more consistent expansion, and better performance through barriers.
My bad. A few years ago, I attended some training put on by ATK and they shot all of their ammo through various barriers into ballistic gellatin. Both the Tactical Bonded and the HST performed better than Hydra Shok.

I do remember the ATK rep saying that the only reason they haven't discontinued the Hydra Shok bullet is because so many agencies still request it.

I wouldn't ditch my Hydra Shok for a different bullet if I had plenty on hand but if I was purchasing new ammo, there are several handgun bullets that perform better.
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My bad. A few years ago, I attended some training put on by ATK and they shot all of their ammo through various barriers into ballistic gellatin. Both the Tactical Bonded and the HST performed better than Hydra Shok.

I do remember the ATK rep saying that the only reason they haven't discontinued the Hydra Shok bullet is because so many agencies still request it.

I wouldn't ditch my Hydra Shok for a different bullet if I had plenty on hand but if I was purchasing new ammo, there are several handgun bullets that perform better.
Yes, I agree absolutely
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I will be sticking with the HST rounds. I also have Hydra Shoks but feel more comfortable with Hornady.
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I will be sticking with the HST rounds. I also have Hydra Shoks but feel more comfortable with Hornady.
Hst is federal, not hornady.
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Hst is federal, not hornady.
My mistake Federal. I also have alot of Hornady. I have a large collection of mixed ammo that I sometimes get confused. The HST is a great round along with my others.
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