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Old 01-23-2012, 07:49 PM
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I have searched. Somewhat connected to hunting with a 1911 45 acp. and improving the 45 acp's preforance (wish I could write a spell!!)
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:05 PM
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You mean .45 Super? If so, is there a question, or comment hiding in there somewhere?

BTW, I had to fall back on Wiki.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:32 PM
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It would help if we had more info...
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:35 AM
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Thanks SRJim & DeltaKilo,

The "45 Super" just seems like a great idea! Gives the 1911 more of a range for me, 22lr mini mag, target load semi wadcutter, getty-up mid weight bullet, and a hunting load. And I can learn one pistol well, like second nature, no having to think quickly.

Also, I do not want to blow up my Baer's. Besides, it may take me quite a while to learning to shoot them well.

Thanks guys, K.T.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:01 PM
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If that's what you want, I would strongly suggest contacting Clark about their .460 Rowland kit. The .460, IIRC, takes less work to modify than the .45 Super.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:03 PM
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A true .45 Super utilizes cases made from the .45 Win-Mag,which allows the higher pressures that cartridge generates.There is considerable data available in the Gun Digest Book of the 1911,and other loading data on the websites of the powder manufacturers.Be my LAST choice for a hunting handgun,or a defensive one.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:21 PM
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A true .45 Super utilizes cases made from the .45 Win-Mag,which allows the higher pressures that cartridge generates.There is considerable data available in the Gun Digest Book of the 1911,and other loading data on the websites of the powder manufacturers.Be my LAST choice for a hunting handgun,or a defensive one.
What would, Bill?
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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What would, Bill?
The .454 Casull for hunting,in a heavy frame revolver,the plain old .45 acp for defense,in a 1911 platform.Both rounds have manageable recoil,and perform admirably in the tasks they were intended for.
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:36 PM
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The .454 Casull for hunting,in a heavy frame revolver,the plain old .45 acp for defense,in a 1911 platform.Both rounds have manageable recoil,and perform admirably in the tasks they were intended for.
The .45 Super and .460 Rowland, both designed to be used in semi-auto pistols, are good for most medium game, unless you're after Elk, Elephant, or Rosie O'Donnell...
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:38 PM
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Thanks SRJim & DeltaKilo,

The "45 Super" just seems like a great idea! Gives the 1911 more of a range for me, 22lr mini mag, target load semi wadcutter, getty-up mid weight bullet, and a hunting load. And I can learn one pistol well, like second nature, no having to think quickly.

Also, I do not want to blow up my Baer's. Besides, it may take me quite a while to learning to shoot them well.

Thanks guys, K.T.
Are you assuming that a 1911 chambered in .45 ACP can run .45 Super? If so, start with DK's suggestion, then hit Wiki.
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Old 01-24-2012, 04:12 PM
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Long story short, I considered setting up a 1911 to run .45 Super, thinking it would take nothing more than stiffer springs. After looking at the wiki and some other resources, even the .460 Rowland seemed to be more work than I wanted to put in, so I invested in a good magnum revolver.
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A Ruger convertible makes a nice revolver platform for those who reload and want to try some +P loadings in 45LC or 45ACP
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I have had good results using a 500 Smith/Wesson. I can load full house 500 mag loads for hunting or 375gr loads for 'plinking'.
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:55 PM
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A Ruger convertible makes a nice revolver platform for those who reload and want to try some +P loadings in 45LC or 45ACP
How about .45 Super, what the OP is asking about?
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The .45 Super and .460 Rowland, both designed to be used in semi-auto pistols, are good for most medium game, unless you're after Elk, Elephant, or Rosie O'Donnell...
I don't see either cartridge as being adequate for much more than small deer at 50 yards or less,and both have too much muzzle blast and recoil to be effective defensive rounds.This guy "likes the idea" of a .45 Super,let's see how enthusiastic he is after shooting one.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:59 PM
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Hi Bill Mannatt,

I've lived a tought life, worked harder them some, has not been easy. If I came face to face with a bear, I could let it walk away, could you.
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:02 AM
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I don't see either cartridge as being adequate for much more than small deer at 50 yards or less,and both have too much muzzle blast and recoil to be effective defensive rounds.This guy "likes the idea" of a .45 Super,let's see how enthusiastic he is after shooting one.
I've seen fairly good sized deer and hogs taken with these guns. As to muzzle blast, the. 45 super is, in my experience, similar to some other high power defense cartridges, and you can still use standard. 45 acp in the gun, as far as I am aware.
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:03 AM
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DK and SRjim (and the OP) interesting thread, thank you for posting. I too am considering the 45 Super and learning what it may take to upgrade my pistol. I like the 460 Rowland much better but here is my dilemma... I have a Commander size pistol (EB-SFC).

I am looking into Springco and the spring upgrades for either this 45 Super or atleast the 255gr +P HC round. I do not intend to "hunt" with it, but want something a little stronger on my side for the Texas woods and the Hogs specifically - more protection than hunting. This SFC is a dedicated field gun and will not get "alot" or a steady diet, but will be used for this purpose. So no real need to convert back & forth to 45 acp.

So thoughts please on a 45 Super conversion on a Commander?

To the OP - assume you have a 5" Government model? If so, I too suggest the 460 Rowland. A buddy of mine (and Forum member) converted his 5" 1911 with the Rowland kit and simply loves it - really easy to go back & forth with a field strip type exchange.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:49 AM
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I've seen fairly good sized deer and hogs taken with these guns. As to muzzle blast, the. 45 super is, in my experience, similar to some other high power defense cartridges, and you can still use standard. 45 acp in the gun, as far as I am aware.
Hey DK congrats on the Moderator status. I have a Wilson Combat Tactical Elite set up for 45 Super. The heavy flanged barrel and relatively flat bottom firing pin stop that are standard on the model both make a great start for the platform. Each helps to delay unlocking a bit. I also replaced the firing pin spring with Wolff's heaviest, the extra extra power, and a 22 lb recoil spring. Also use a WC shok buff to soften the recoil.

Magazines make a HUGE difference with feeding problems too. More so than most people think. Now I only use checkmate mags with their proprietary follower, and upgrade with Tripp research 14 coil, .048 mag springs. In the Checkmate mags I still easily fit eight rounds in the mags as opposed to my WC mags that cut the capacity down to seven rounds. With the stiffer springs the round is always in place for chambering no matter how fast the slide travels.

Changing up the magazine configuration also allowed me to use the Double Tap 255 gr semi wadcutters with no problems. Prior the upgrade I couldn't get them to feed in any pistol I owned. Although they are 45 +P and not 45 Super, they are great penetrators and won't even feed in my HK45, which is known to eat anything.

This was a bit of work, but the gun is great to shoot. The recoil is softer/less snappy than using regular power 230 gr rounds in my four inch 45 with no shok buf, but you know you are shooting a stout load. I've had no malfunctions with the Buffalo Bore 255 gr 45 Super loads, but I limit the round count with full house loads to extend the life of the pistol.

I feel totally confident in using this pistol for SD. BTW it also usually wears a Surefire X300 (I had the gun built with a rail) that helps to control recoil with added weight up front.

Hope this helps anyone interested in this platform.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:26 PM
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Hi Bill Mannatt,

I've lived a tought life, worked harder them some, has not been easy. If I came face to face with a bear, I could let it walk away, could you.
2 years ago,north of Kalispel,Mt.,I had a face to face encounter with mature silverback boar grizzly.He had scented my 3 pointers,and was sneaking out of cover to avoid them,when he ran straight into me.At 60 feet,a 700 pound bear is one imposing SOB.I drew a 629,2 in. barrel,S&W Trail Boss,loaded with Buffalo Bore 340 gr. solids.THAT is a proper gun for a life or death encounter with a large,potentially deadly,animal at close range.He stood up,woofed nervously a few times,then dropped down on all four and quietly padded off.Had I been armed with some pipsqueak load in a 1911,I would have had zero chance of surviving an attack.Knowing I was adequately armed,I stayed calm,avoided direct eye contact,and we both lived to see another day.A 1911 is a defensive handgun,and having been in on the kills of over 150 wild boar,and the spectacular failures of numerous heavy caliber magnum handguns,that platform would never even make the list of handguns I would choose for the job.
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Hello Mr. Pistol Fan,

Yes it does help! What is "the heavy flanged barrel"? I have a Kimber Carry Pro II (SS heavy frame), first 1911 45 acp I ever owned. A pistolsmith told me to get a 5" 1911 and what did I do! Just like the Combat Commander type. This now has a 22 lr conversion unit, good for learning (and wearing-in the trigger and action). Also learning how to clear jams.

I did head the pistolsmith's advice and now own three more 1911's; one Kimber Super Match (this pistol made this newbe look like a ringer at the range, would group great for me, just jammed-up way to often), two Les Baer's (PII & CC).


Would like to set-up one for the 45 Super (this also includes warmer 45 acp and +P loads). No intension of ever hunting a bear (understand they look alot like a person under the coat), now wild pigs and boar I could do that! I would also love to shoot a bowling pins. Guess I need to learn about reloading.


This fourm is a great way to enjoy the "Sport" and be safe. Safe for the shooter and those around us. Many Many thanks. Thanks Baerhunter
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Hello Mr. Pistol Fan,

Yes it does help! What is "the heavy flanged barrel"? I have a Kimber Carry Pro II (SS heavy frame), first 1911 45 acp I ever owned. A pistolsmith told me to get a 5" 1911 and what did I do! Just like the Combat Commander type. This now has a 22 lr conversion unit, good for learning (and wearing-in the trigger and action). Also learning how to clear jams.

I did head the pistolsmith's advice and now own three more 1911's; one Kimber Super Match (this pistol made this newbe look like a ringer at the range, would group great for me, just jammed-up way to often), two Les Baer's (PII & CC).


Would like to set-up one for the 45 Super (this also includes warmer 45 acp and +P loads). No intension of ever hunting a bear (understand they look alot like a person under the coat), now wild pigs and boar I could do that! I would also love to shoot a bowling pins. Guess I need to learn about reloading.


This fourm is a great way to enjoy the "Sport" and be safe. Safe for the shooter and those around us. Many Many thanks. Thanks Baerhunter
.45 ACP +P works just fine in an unmodified 1911. Super's the only level I know of that's higher end than that.
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Hello Mr. Bill Manatt,

I was worried reading the beginning of your post, kinda hollow inside, then I read more and was pleasently surprised. I read many post about backcountry hiking and some people just seem to want to have a pistol to kill a bear. I hope "my God" gives me the strength to as you have, I thank you.


My Dad was a tought guy and the only fun he had, that I know of, was hunting. I'm a meat eater but do not like the idea of killing an animal just for the fun of it. My Dad did serve-up what he shot.

Out camping and/or hunting the two legged kind might think twice.
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Hello Mr. Pistol Fan,

Yes it does help! What is "the heavy flanged barrel"? I have a Kimber Carry Pro II (SS heavy frame), first 1911 45 acp I ever owned. A pistolsmith told me to get a 5" 1911 and what did I do! Just like the Combat Commander type. This now has a 22 lr conversion unit, good for learning (and wearing-in the trigger and action). Also learning how to clear jams.

I did head the pistolsmith's advice and now own three more 1911's; one Kimber Super Match (this pistol made this newbe look like a ringer at the range, would group great for me, just jammed-up way to often), two Les Baer's (PII & CC).


Would like to set-up one for the 45 Super (this also includes warmer 45 acp and +P loads). No intension of ever hunting a bear (understand they look alot like a person under the coat), now wild pigs and boar I could do that! I would also love to shoot a bowling pins. Guess I need to learn about reloading.


This fourm is a great way to enjoy the "Sport" and be safe. Safe for the shooter and those around us. Many Many thanks. Thanks Baerhunter
Here is some info, complete with video:

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-tactical-elite.asp

This not an inexpensive road to embark on, and I do agree that when it comes to handguns, a 4 inch 44 mag and heavy solid bullets is the minimal starting point for defensive use against large bears if that is your purpose. My preference would be the Alaskan Copilot from Wild West Guns, but you can't wear it on your hip...
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I shoot and reload for the 45 Super, although I use it almost exclusively as a SMG round and occasionally in a Smith and Wesson 625. It does offer increased velocity and kinetic energy at the cost of increased recoil and additional wear and tear on semi-auto pistols.
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