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Old 12-01-2011, 11:24 PM
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Colt Series 70 Government Model




Here's my second Colt a Series 70 government model. It came with some documents. I find the price tag particularly interesting. Judging by the pricing can anybody guess about what year this tag was written up?

http://s1207.photobucket.com/albums/...20Series%2070/

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Old 12-02-2011, 12:27 AM
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Colt Serial number

Maybe this would help! 1974

MODEL 1911 AND 1911A1 – Commercial production
Capital “C” prefix - .45 cal., cont.
Year S er. # Start S er. # End
1967 308500C 315599C
1968 315600C 324499C
1969 324500C 332649C
1970 332650C 336169C
Mid-1970 New 70G01001 70G05550
1971 70G05551 70G18000
1972 70G18001 70G34400
1973 70G34401 70G43000
1974 70G43001 70G73000
1975 70G73001 70G88900
1976 70G88901 70G99999
Mid-1976 New 01001G70 13900G70
1977 13901G70 45199G70
1978 45200G70 N/A
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Old 12-02-2011, 12:32 AM
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awesome. looks like it was made in 1974. i assume you paid a bit more than $199.99 ? $200 then is about $875 today.

i remember when kmart and gemco quit selling ammo (and i assume guns) when i was a kid. dont ever recall payless selling guns or ammo but some around here still sell fishing gear and licenses.
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Old 12-02-2011, 12:41 AM
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My dad bought me a .22 rifle for Christmas from JCPenney back in 1983. Those were the good old days when guns weren't so evil that ordinary department and hardware stores couldn't sell them.

BTW also my dad paid $87 for his Government Model back in 1966, so it shows how fast inflation rose in just eight years.

BTW BTW nice lookin' Series 70.
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Old 12-02-2011, 08:18 AM
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Thanks, everybody. I did pay a bunch more than the price tag indicates! Interesting to see how the price of a pistol can more than double in less than ten years. Judging by the serial numbers Colt made quite a few of these in 1974!

jmanrogers, where did you find that listing of serial numbers?

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Old 12-02-2011, 09:27 AM
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FYI go to ProofHouse.com for Colt serial #'s up to the late 70's.
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:52 AM
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That is a very nice '70 that looks to be new in box. Very nice acquisition.
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Old 12-02-2011, 10:26 AM
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Very nice!!! And I notice that your GM appears much better machined in the triggerguard area than my 1974 LW Commander... Good for you!!!

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Old 12-02-2011, 07:04 PM
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Very nice!!! And I notice that your GM appears much better machined in the triggerguard area than my 1974 LW Commander... Good for you!!!

L.
Interesting. Can you post a pic and show us?

My Series 70 does have a loose link pin, but that doesn't cause any problems when firing. I should just peen it and have it stay put but have never got around to it.

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Old 12-02-2011, 07:15 PM
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I recently bought a Series 70 Combat Government Model of of the original owner who paid 240.00 in 1983. I would guess that your price was probably good for a couple of years around the mid to late seventies.
Nice pistol and enjoy.
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:04 PM
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Late in 1973 I bought a MK IV Government Model for $125. It was the last one the gun shop had in stock at that price. The first of the new year ( Jan. 1974) the price was going to go up to $137.50. (smile)

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Old 12-02-2011, 11:58 PM
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I recently bought a Series 70 Combat Government Model of of the original owner who paid 240.00 in 1983. I would guess that your price was probably good for a couple of years around the mid to late seventies.
Nice pistol and enjoy.
Thanks! The GM shoots great!

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Old 12-03-2011, 02:26 AM
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WOW, nice find!!!

And here all this time I thought Pay Less only sold shoes..... who'd a thunk it?
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:20 AM
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Interesting. Can you post a pic and show us?

My Series 70 does have a loose link pin, but that doesn't cause any problems when firing. I should just peen it and have it stay put but have never got around to it.

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Well, I don't have this Commander anymore, after the frame cracked in the dustcover area.


It is here on bottom right with other Browning designs.


Here is a zoom. Definition is real bad. My complaints were: the lines of the dustcover (between the side and round bottom) were wavy. The machining of the frame around the mag button was not round but made of several irregular cuts, whose pattern was different left and right. On the slide, the serrations were irregular. All in all an amateur machinist work.

With all these critics, why did I buy it? Well, I didn't notice at the store, as I was so lucky to find a Commander. They are pretty rare here.

By the way, I complained several times already about this Commander on this site and won't bore you anymore with it in the future. After all, we all are Colt's fans, aren't we?

Best.

L.

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Old 12-03-2011, 06:53 AM
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I paid $400 for my series 80 in 1987.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:22 PM
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$199......I'll take it lol
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Old 12-03-2011, 01:36 PM
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I paid $400 for my series 80 in 1987.
$510 for same in 1991.
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Well, I don't have this Commander anymore, after the frame cracked in the dustcover area.

With all these critics, why did I buy it? Well, I didn't notice at the store, as I was so lucky to find a Commander. They are pretty rare here.

By the way, I complained several times already about this Commander on this site and won't bore you anymore with it in the future. After all, we all are Colt's fans, aren't we?

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Well, from a distance it looks pretty good! I wonder what caused the machining imperfections. A drunk machinist at Colt perhaps? Thanks for the pics.

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WOW, nice find!!!

And here all this time I thought Pay Less only sold shoes..... who'd a thunk it?
Thanks, Stella's Fella.

I also remember Payless Cashways and wouldn't be surprised if they sold handguns back in the 1970's. The last Payless I saw was in 1990 in Texas. Maybe what I have is a tag from that store.

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Old 12-03-2011, 02:53 PM
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Thanks, Stella's Fella.

I also remember Payless Cashways and wouldn't be surprised if they sold handguns back in the 1970's. The last Payless I saw was in 1990 in Texas. Maybe what I have is a tag from that store.

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yes payless cashways! we had one here in waterloo, iowa up until the mid-90's.. they must have held on a bit longer up here.
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Old 12-03-2011, 03:00 PM
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yours appears to have some wavy machining as well. look above the trigger

i thought that at this time the quality of colt was supposed to be "outstanding" ?:scratch
You're absolutely correct! I have never noticed that even on my own Colt! The same drunk machinist working on my frame too...

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Mis-shapen triggerguards and wavy slide/frame edges have been a Colt hallmark since the mid 1960's. Notice how my 1966 Government has a less than perfect triggerguard as well as a slight "kink" in the top edge of the slide (above the horsey). I once had an early large-rollmark Series 70 that had a very grotesquely mis-shapen triggerguard. Unfortunately I never took a picture of it so I can't show it to you.

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Mis-shapen triggerguards and wavy slide/frame edges have been a Colt hallmark since the mid 1960's. Notice how my 1966 Government has a less than perfect triggerguard as well as a slight "kink" in the top edge of the slide (above the horsey).
I just glanced at my Kimber Classic Stainless, and the wavyness above the trigger looks even worse! It seems that more steel is left where the trigger guard meets the frame.

Very nice pre-Series 70 Colt you have there! I have one exactly like yours but with a few more scratches. The serial number indicates a 1956 production. I will photo and share with all forum patrons when I get the chance!

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The wavyness you refer to on the Kimber is the result of the milling machine cutting the hole that forms the triggerguard. My early Series 80 is just like that:



The shape of the triggerguard on my pre-70 is due to hand profiling by a relatively unskilled worker. No two Colts made from the mid 60's to mid 80's that I've looked at have had a triggerguard shaped exactly the same!
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My series 80 looks exactly like DSK's in the frame over the triggerguard. The cut is exactly symetric left and right so it doesn't bother me.

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