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Old 11-27-2011, 04:23 PM
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Looking for 9mm soft load recipes




Guys:
Like many of you I use a 1911 (and others) in IDPA competition. Until now I've had access to fairly inexpensive factory loads and have resisted reloading any 9mm. That's changed and I need to revisit adding the stuff to my bench to add his caliber to my reloading.
I would really appreciate any input on bullet style, weight, and most importantly -- what powder and load do you use for soft recoil loads that stay on line.
Thank you, in advance.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:11 PM
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Softest load I've got for 9mm is 124gr RN, 3.6gr Clays, OAL 1.100. Minimum is 3.3gr in one of the manuals I've got but I go to 3.6gr so it will make the power factor for IDPA or IPSC Minor. Be careful as maximum is 3.7gr.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:15 PM
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3.5 Titegroup. 147 FMJ. Federal Primer. Mixed brass. OAL is 1.140.

Soft and accurate.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:20 PM
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I run 147gr plated
3.9gr/Unique
OAL = 1.115"
PF = 137000

This load will give a straight push back.
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Old 11-27-2011, 05:45 PM
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4.1 grains of VV320 behind a Zero 125 grain, jhp.
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:06 PM
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I'd also recommend using a 147gr bullet. Find one with a rebated base like this Zero 147gr JHP. It eliminates the need to bell the cases and and taper crimp the cartridge.

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Old 11-27-2011, 06:54 PM
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heavy bullet. fast burning gunpowder.

http://38super.net/Pages/Recoil.html
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:06 PM
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There is no load, that will make power factor, feels softer than 3.1 of VV N310 with a Berrys 147 @ 1.160"
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:28 PM
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SUPERDUDE ----- GREAT link!!!

WOW .... the link you sent should be a magazine article.
My re-entry into shooting is after 25 years on no shooting / no competition / no reloading ........... so I'm kinda learning all over and, for me, recoil or felt recoil really impacts competitive shooting..... getting back to target, quickly is much less challenging.
the article you sent is my big read tomorrow.
Thanks, KAZ
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Old 11-27-2011, 11:24 PM
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Puff

Try 3.4 gr Bullseye under a 124-gr plated round nose.

No idea if it makes PF. I kind of doubt it.
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Old 11-28-2011, 12:21 PM
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Bear Creek moly 135g RN backed with 4.0g of WST at 1.150 OAL. Runs 1000 fps (135 PF) out of my STI Spartan 9mm.
I can't say it's the absolute softest load, but definitely very accurate out to 50 yards. I prefer the recoil impulse of a 135g and the speed that the slide reacts, sights track as opposed to the 147g.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:26 AM
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4.1 gr of HP-38/Win 231 under 125gr Cast Magma Cone shaped bullet (Missouri Bullet Company). OAL 1.130.

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Old 11-29-2011, 07:02 PM
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Currently load titegroup 4.1gr behind a 124 gr FMJ round nose bullet, at 1.150 length. Works well enough, makes powerfactor and is comfortable to shoot. I'll be trying a new load soon with a 147 gr bullet and titegroup to decrease felt recoil as illustrated in the above article.
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:12 AM
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Bob:
I'd really appreciate your input on the 147 / Titegroup load when you get it out and tested. I'm on the exact same plan. Where I live finding some powders has become a challenge and have a friend bringing me some Titegroup next week. I'm hoping to sell off my large stock of Winchester Factory 9mm to start reloading. Until now I have been happy shooting the Winchester 115 white box but I would like to start testing lighter loads.
I look forward to your input and recipe.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:20 AM
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I'm hoping to sell off my large stock of Winchester Factory 9mm to start reloading.
You won't be able to buy brass, bullets, primers, and powder for less than it will cost to buy factory new FMJ 9mm, so unless you have an existing stash of 9mm brass, you'd cost yourself more money. I use factory 9mm ammo to make once fired brass for my reloading.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:19 AM
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Yes ,your best off shooting your stash of factory rounds and saving the brass for reloading from then on.While your at the range see if you can find any leftover 9mm brass to add.My local range is small and not a big membership but I go once or twice a week and can usually pick up 10,20,50pcs of 9mm here and there,plus some 40 and 45.Slowly it adds up and get a pretty good supply.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:26 AM
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Thanks, everyone --- yes, I understand the trade off if you have to buy brass.
I am, what some of you consider to be, a "brass rat". Since I reload several other calibers I pick up most brass I see. I have several hundred rounds of 9mm brass and another 1000 rounds of factory. For whatever reason 9mm brass gets left behind at my range. I pick up all of my brass unless I'm shooting IDPA as there's no time to pick up brass during the shoot.
I'm starting to consider selling off the factory stuff to some of my local buddies and just start reloading it along with .380, 40, and 45acp.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:37 AM
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I'm starting to consider selling off the factory stuff to some of my local buddies and just start reloading it along with .380, 40, and 45acp.
You'll definitely save money by reloading 380ACP. Be careful with reloading 40S&W. I've been reloading it for fifteen years. There is a great variance in the thickness and weight of brass. Many 40S&W chambers are not fully supported. This coupled with it being a relatively high pressure cartridge can cause potential dangers. Personally, I only reload 40S&W brass that is from my factory loaded ammo.
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:34 PM
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Recoil perception like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some people prefer the impulse of a lighter faster bullet (ca 125 gr at 1000-1100fps) while other prefer the heavier slower bullets (147 gr. at 880-910 fps).
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:00 PM
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There is no load, that will make power factor, feels softer than 3.1 of VV N310 with a Berrys 147 @ 1.160"
I used this load for a long time. These days I load 3.3gr N310 under a BBI 130gr, at 1.145" or so.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:07 PM
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I used this load for a long time. These days I load 3.3gr N310 under a BBI 130gr, at 1.145" or so.
MoNsTeR.....I am assuming BBI is black bullets int... and your loading/shooting the TC 130s.

what gun you shooting this out of?

if a 1911.....what accuracy you get at 25 and 50 yds....if you have tested?
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Old 12-02-2011, 07:25 PM
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MoNsTeR.....I am assuming BBI is black bullets int... and your loading/shooting the TC 130s.

what gun you shooting this out of?

if a 1911.....what accuracy you get at 25 and 50 yds....if you have tested?
You assume correctly, BBI = Black Bullet International. I've mainly shot them through Glock 34's and Beretta 92's in USPSA Production. Accuracy at 25 yards from the Glock is... not great. I think the coated bullets do better accuracy-wise with powders a bit slower than N310 or Clays.
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