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Old 11-08-2011, 11:58 AM
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Target load for 45 acp




Hi everybody,

i have been reading a lot on your forum.
I find different opinions as to pet loads for 45 acp.

How about 200 gr lead swc pushed by 4.0 gr of red dot ????
This will a target load.
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:23 PM
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Hi everybody,

i have been reading a lot on your forum.
I find different opinions as to pet loads for 45 acp.

How about 200 gr lead swc pushed by 4.0 gr of red dot ????
This will a target load.
Sounds like a reasonable load…serve it up
After you fire for effect let us know how it did
Good Luck

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Old 11-08-2011, 06:48 PM
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I have found Red Dot to be a great powder for 200 lswc. My 1911 favors 4.5 gr. Most accurate load I have found.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:55 PM
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I used to load 200 LSWCs with 4.3 Red Dot. It worked very well, good accuracy and would operate most factory sprung 45s.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:58 PM
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All depends on what you want to shoot. I find 185grn slightly "better" at 50 yds, though at 25 yards, they are equal for me.
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Old 11-08-2011, 09:55 PM
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Red Dot is fast powder, works well in low pressure 45acp.

I don't know what velocity you're getting with 200 grain.
It's probably pretty mild.

With 230 grain fmj I use 4.6 grains Red Dot to get major power factor for IPSC.
My velocity is right at 740fps, 1.260" OAL, Tula or Wolf primer, mixed brass.

So if I get modest velocity at 4.6 grains with a heavy bullet,
your 4.0, 4.3 and 4.5 grain charges with 200 grain bullet must be mighty soft.

And it might just be accurate, you'll have to test to find out.
If it shoots too high, up the charge a bit and see if that helps.

Red Dot (and its cousin Promo) are also good 12ga shotshell powders.

The problem with Red Dot is metering.
It doesn't alway fill the cavity in my powder measures.
My 4.6 grain charge is generally anywhere from 4.4 to 4.6.
But velocity is doesn't vary that much, maybe minus 20 feet per second.
Still makes major power factor.
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Old 11-09-2011, 04:05 AM
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Hi everybody,

i have been reading a lot on your forum.
I find different opinions as to pet loads for 45 acp.

How about 200 gr lead swc pushed by 4.0 gr of red dot ????
This will a target load.
Give 4.0 of Bullseye a try, very soft shooting and accurate
You may be quite pleased

Good luck
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Old 11-09-2011, 06:47 AM
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If yo want clean, accurate and soft shooting, 3.8-3.9 gr Clays will work well.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:16 AM
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Nick mentioned Alliant's Promo powder as a cousin to Red Dot. Most of my 45acp loads are made with Promo. For 185 & 200 LSWC's I use 4.2 to 4.6gr, depending on my mood. Either bullet with Promo (or Red Dot) within those charge limits will be soft-shooting and as accurate as the pistol & shooter is capable of.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:47 AM
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This is what I'm looking for, too

Guys ....... I'm new to this site and glad I joined.
I, too, reload and am always looking for input on good recipes so I'm hoping to get some new test loads for various calibers. So far I've been pleased with 3.6 gr of Clays with a 200gr LSWC. Today I'm testing 4.7 gr. WIN231 with a 185gr JRN Berry's bullet. I'm trying to find the softest recoil that still cycles by Les Baer and puts center cut holes at 25 yards. If anyone has a favorite recipe for 200 gr LSWC using Clays or WIN231 or TITEGROUP or Unique I'd love to hear it!!!
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:35 AM
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Guys ....... I'm new to this site and glad I joined.
I, too, reload and am always looking for input on good recipes so I'm hoping to get some new test loads for various calibers. So far I've been pleased with 3.6 gr of Clays with a 200gr LSWC. Today I'm testing 4.7 gr. WIN231 with a 185gr JRN Berry's bullet. I'm trying to find the softest recoil that still cycles by Les Baer and puts center cut holes at 25 yards. If anyone has a favorite recipe for 200 gr LSWC using Clays or WIN231 or TITEGROUP or Unique I'd love to hear it!!!
I use 5.1g of W231 under a 200g LSWC for nice mild range rounds (740 fps avg). I've stepped it up to 5.3g in my last loads just to see the difference(825 fps avg). The 5.1g W231 load will be close to what you are looking for. I've used Titegroup under 225g LRN (4.8g) for close to factory loads (874 fps avg). I stay with W231 for my 200g LSWC.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:17 AM
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Give 4.0 of Bullseye a try, very soft shooting and accurate
You may be quite pleased

Good luck
This is my present load also.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:43 AM
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If I don't have to make PF I use 3.8gr of Bullseye and a 200gr LSWC. Cheap, mild, accurate, and a good load for introducing someone to the 45. Cycles fine in my stock Springer TRP. It's a nice steel challenge plate load too.
For a bit more power I use 5.5gr of HP-38 and the same bullet.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:17 PM
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This is my present load also.
With lead swc 4.0 of bullseye is great. Soft shooting, and quite accurate with my guns. Plated (not jacketed) bullets that are .451 need to be bumped up in my experience.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:48 PM
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+4 for the 3.8-4 gr bullseye load with 200 gr SWC. has been a winner forever
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:52 PM
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Tried 4.0 grains BE in 200 and 185 grain SWC's last night based on information in this thread and was pleasantly surpised! Worked better in the 185's than 200, so may drop down to 3.8 for the 200SWC's. Looks like I found a new favorite load.
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Old 11-09-2011, 04:31 PM
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A good friend recommended 3.7 Grains of Bullseye powder and a 200 Grain SWC, lead bullet for Bullseye Competition.

Somehow, I shoot better with a tad more recoil????? Anyway, I like 3.9 to 4.1 grains of Bullseye.

For what its worth, I get great groups from sandbags at 25 yards with 3.5 to 4.5 grains of Bullseye --- so the real consideration is how much recoil you want.

I would like the light recoil from 3.5 grains of Bullseye, but for whatever reason, I get better scores in our local Bullseye Matches with more recoil. (???)

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Old 11-09-2011, 06:35 PM
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Your responses and recipes are appreciated

I have written down a few of your recommendations ... I appreciate them all.
As for the Bullseye recipes .... my powder cabinet is looking a little overstocked with Unique,W231,Titegroup, and Clays ......... I need to use this stuff up before I branch out (any further!!)
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