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Old 10-30-2011, 07:33 PM
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.308 vs 30/30




Hey guys, I'm torn between a savage .308 and a marlin 336 30/30. I know the savage is more accurate, but i like the thought of the the 30/30 too. so beside the guns involved, which caliber is better for 200-400 yds shooting cans and paper? Assuming I use the same scope and all that.
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:43 PM
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.308 by far.
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:11 PM
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I just realized. Marlin sells a .308 levergun, so you think thats the best option?
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:28 PM
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The .308 would be more accurate at longer distances.

I have a Marlin 336 30-30, and it's only had 2 rounds fired through it. Both of them landed deer meat in the freezer. One was at 75 yards and the other at 50 yards with open sights.

Take a look at the Marlin XLR series. They're designed to reach out to further distances using Hornady's LeveRevolution rounds.
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:52 PM
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Take a look at the Marlin XLR series. They're designed to reach out to further distances using Hornady's LeveRevolution rounds.
Is that ammo any good? I have an old 336 - will that ammo work in that? Do you have to have an XLR to get the Leverevolution ammo's extra range / effectivness?
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:57 PM
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.308 is superior in virtually every way other than nostalgia.
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:59 PM
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Bolt action 308.....no comparison! Not even in the same league!
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:23 PM
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For the distances you want...a .308. There's nothing wrong with a 30-30. I bagged my first 3 deer with a 30-30. They were all less than 100 yards though. It's an apple and oranges comparison really.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:37 PM
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30-30 is a good close to mid range round. 75 to 150 meters it works well. But 200+ meters can be pushing it for accuracy. I use my 30-30 when in a close area, or for hogs. For longer ranges and accuracy go with the .308.

I like the 30-30, but more for a truck/brush gun than a target shooter.

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Old 10-30-2011, 10:16 PM
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No offense to the .30/30 as so many of us bagged our first deer with it, carried the one Grandpa did and so on...
However, there is simply no contest especially at the distance you mentioned.

FWIW, my butt was parked at a bench at an annual public rifle sight my Sportsmens club puts on for the past two days with my eye in a spotting scope.

The ".30/30 brush gun" just doesn't need to go over to the 200 yard station after sighting in at 100 yards. It is widely accepted that it has limitations by most who have used it for years.

The .308 on the otherhand is usually limited by the ability of the individual pressing the trigger and the equipment directing it downrange. In otherwords, most shooters cannot shoot well enough or do not have facilities available to realize the full range and accuracy potential of the .308
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:10 AM
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I just realized. Marlin sells a .308 levergun, so you think thats the best option?
If you really want a lever action then the XLR in .308 Marlin Express (not the same as .308 Winchester) with Leverevolution ammo is viable. It will not equal a .308 Win, but will be close enough in terms of practical hunting limits. Say out to 300 yards or so.

Ammo selection for the .308ME is very limited however. For a practical, all around rifle, the .308 Win is a good choice.

If you are just shooting cans and paper then go with the lever gun in .30-30 Win. There are a few reasons I say this. Relatively speaking, ammo is cheaper. You can shoot the Leverevolution ammo for flatter trajectories, true. You can also shoot some 125 grain JHP loads that shoot a little flatter. Making good hits in the 200-400 yard range will be a little harder with the Marlin and the .30-30, but you shoot enough with the intent to learn and you will learn a lot in dealing with the trajectory and wind issues. The .30-30 won't have as much recoil so you can probably shoot more with less fatigue.

If it's paper and cans, shoot the action you want the most. A miss or a poorly placed shot doesn't mean much beyond having to take a more careful shot the next time. If critters come into the mix then go .308 or 7mm-08 instead.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:27 AM
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Given I am a levergun buff I say .308 hands down, I hate bolt guns and have used a .308 to put through a quarter at 300 yards with a buddies 700 pas it was sweet bit i won't carry 12# gun either. If your in wide open country .308 thick brush .30-30 if you like but .450 or .45-70 is way better in the brush and can knock anything on the planet over with bufflo bore ammo.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:43 PM
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Hmmm I do intend on some killing with it but thats just coyotes up close. I guess I have to decide what range I want to use it atbetter....
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:42 PM
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Is that ammo any good? I have an old 336 - will that ammo work in that? Do you have to have an XLR to get the Leverevolution ammo's extra range / effectivness?
Yep that ammo works like a charm. I shot 100 rounds of it last weekend with my Marlin 336. 30/30's get a bad reputation for being done at 100 yards. I shot mine fairly accurately at 200 with open sights which was good enough for me. A .308 on the other hand will touch something a whole further away...very accurately. Depends on what you want to do, but for me a lever action gun is a very nice thing to have so IMO you should get both LOL.
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:31 PM
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so IMO you should get both LOL
I wish, limited funds and an annoying dad limits me to a 4-500$ gun. only one.... but eventually I'll have both but that won't be for a few more years
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:39 PM
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I wish, limited funds and an annoying dad limits me to a 4-500$ gun. only one.... but eventually I'll have both but that won't be for a few more years
I hear you. I stumbled into my Marlin for cheap. A guy needed $200. It was a great buy for me. I've always wanted a lever gun. I've been seeing a lot of them lately for sale in the $300 range or less.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:00 AM
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There's nothing wrong with a 30-30. I bagged my first 3 deer with a 30-30. They were all less than 100 yards though. It's an apple and oranges comparison really.
Ditto. Not even close to a good comparison.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:26 AM
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As others have said, it really depends on the type of hunting you do,and the terrain you hunt in.

I've been stationed in Washington where shots on deer or elk could be across a draw at 300 yds or better. I used a .30-06 out there for the better trajectory and ability to handle heavier bullets for the larger Mule deer and Elk. But a .308 would not be far behind in performance, and you'd get a little lighter weight, and a potentially more rigid action out of a short action bolt gun.

Now I'm stationed in Georgia, where I hunt in swamps. The deer are smaller and lighter, the terrain is much denser and slogging through swamps made me apreciate the handiness of a light weight, fast handling carbine. Most shots I've seen were on the edge of bow range or well within bow range. The .30-30 is perfect for this. It carries light, open sights or a low magnification scope or even a red dot sight are fast for getting on target in tight brush with often low light. The lever shoulders quickly, and a follow up shot is quick to produce, because the gun never has to move from the shoulder and you can keep sights aligned pretty close while cycling rounds. Around here checking the pawn shops has produced 2 used Marlin 336 rifles for me that each cost me less than $300. Both are excellent shooters and perfom quite well with Remington Core Lokt ammo, as well as LEVERevolution ammo. The one that I have from 1969 seems to do better with 170gr loads than the 1984 model does. I've also seen some used Savage 110s in .30-06 and .308 for around $300. So if you saved your pennies, it is actually possible to pick up some solid used guns and be close to your restricted budget.

Ammo is fairly cheap and available for both calibers you list.

My 1984 Marlin on the left, and 1969 on the right. The 1984 was actually pretty scuffed up when I bought it so I refinished it. The 1969 looked like it had never been fired.



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Definitely two different rifle designs best suited to different styles of hunting.

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Old 11-05-2011, 10:09 AM
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[QUOTE=crashoverrideplik;3513175]. I shot 100 rounds of it last weekend with my Marlin 336. 30/30's get a bad reputation for being done at 100 yards. QUOTE]

Its funny though.if you put a 30/30 in a encore all of the sudden it is a 300 yard gun.Cant figure that out.The 308 though has a much farther range with the same bullet as a 30/30. If you want really far go with a 300 mag caliber.I shoot a 300 win mag which can really reach out but ammunition isnt very cheap.
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Old 11-05-2011, 10:24 AM
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People will tell you the 30-30 is a "100 yd or less gun" and is a tired round gasping on it's last breath, yest it had virtually an identical trajectory as the 22 hornet, which most people consider relatively flat shooting and use for varmints out to 200 or 250 yds without a second thought. The 30-30 is a pussycat to shoot, and so nearly everyone will shoot it better, because though everyone is a he-man online and doesn't mind recoil, the fact is nearly everyone will shoot a lighter recoiling gun better than a harder recoiling one. The 308 is in 30-06/270 territory for recoil. The 30-30 is also one of the cheapest centerfire rifle calibers to shoot. In other words, the 30-30 had many things to recommend it, and is not nearly so derelict as you woil be led to believe. As mentioned you also have the leverevolution ammo to spunk it up a bit more, my 35 rem and 308 me both like it and shoot it very accurately. All those things having been said, there is nothing wrong with the 308, and it will be better for very long shots, but to be honest in my experience most people have no business shooting beyond 200 yds, and most considerably less than that. I would guess the average person out there would not be able to hit a paper plate offhand at 75 yards every time actually, internet claims not withstanding. If you're only going to be shooting from a bench with sandbags it doesn't matter so much. I would consider the lever as more desirable than the savage bolt gun personally, again not taking anything from the savage functionally, most I have seen or shot have been very accurate, I just think personally their handling qualities/ergonomics tend to be poor. For me they are rifles of great accuracy that one has to work hard to get that accyracy with. Some rifles are just easy to shoot, and others make you work for it.

If you get a Marlin just look around and get a nice older used one for $300-$350, they will be better quality and you can use the extra money for accessories or ammo. ymmv.
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Old 11-05-2011, 06:41 PM
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It's not really a matter of what caliber is better for punching paper but rather what rifle platform is better. The lever gun was never intended to be a full on bunch gun. It was intended to hit a man or animal sized target at distances that match the ballistics of the ammo being used. The .308 (bolt or semi) was designed for the same thing but at much greater distances with repeatable success. I keep my lever .30-30's around because I like them and they are good at doing what they were designed to do. There are other platforms and calibers that do play the paper punching role so much better that any lever gun would be on the bottom of my list to do such things.
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