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Old 08-13-2011, 03:57 PM
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Even though I use carbide dies and know I could just run the cases through the sizer without a lot of preparation before I do, I still prefer to wash them before the sizing operation. For years I used Dawn dish detergent and it worked fairly well-I thought. That is until I stumbled upon OxyClean. Now this is a pre-cleaning miracle product. I put about 150 45 acp cases into an empty coffee can, add about 1/2 teaspoon of OxyClean, enough super hot water to cover the cases about 1" in depth and then use a 3" paint brush to whip the cases around as though I'm mixing paint. The action of the brass being whipped around against each other in the hot water/OxyClean mix makes them clean and shine almost as if they had been tumbled. Leave the cases in the solution longer, repeat the whipping action until the cases are so bright you run for your sunglasses....heee.....heee. An additional benefit of this pre-cleaning is that your tumble media will last a lot longer before needing cleaning/discarding.

Oh, by the way, be sure to rinse the Oxy off with HOT water after the cleaning.

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Old 08-13-2011, 04:32 PM
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Seems to me you are doing double cleaning where only one cleaning should do. If the cases come out of the OxyClean as bright as you say, why tumble them? Seems kind of redundant to me. However many of the things I do seem "odd" to others. To each their own!
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Old 08-13-2011, 07:47 PM
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Even though I use carbide dies and know I could just run the cases through the sizer without a lot of preparation before I do, I still prefer to wash them before the sizing operation. For years I used Dawn dish detergent and it worked fairly well-I thought. That is until I stumbled upon OxyClean. Now this is a pre-cleaning miracle product. I put about 150 45 acp cases into an empty coffee can, add about 1/2 teaspoon of OxyClean, enough super hot water to cover the cases about 1" in depth and then use a 3" paint brush to whip the cases around as though I'm mixing paint. The action of the brass being whipped around against each other in the hot water/OxyClean mix makes them clean and shine almost as if they had been tumbled. Leave the cases in the solution longer, repeat the whipping action until the cases are so bright you run for your sunglasses....heee.....heee. An additional benefit of this pre-cleaning is that your tumble media will last a lot longer before needing cleaning/discarding.
Make sure you thoroughly rinse those cases in hot water with a couple of tablespoons of baking soda in it to neutralize the stuff in the detergent that makes the cases shiny. Its also a good idea to do a final rinse in warm distilled water, then cook 'em in the oven for an hour at 200 degrees to evaporate all the water.
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Old 08-13-2011, 09:03 PM
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Seems to me you are doing double cleaning where only one cleaning should do. If the cases come out of the OxyClean as bright as you say, why tumble them? Seems kind of redundant to me. However many of the things I do seem "odd" to others. To each their own!
No where in my post does it say I tumble them after cleaning in Oxy. You're correct, it would be redundant, in most instances, to tumble because they come out exceptionally clean for the most part. If you want a "like new" look then sure, go ahead and tumble.

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Old 08-13-2011, 09:22 PM
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Make sure you thoroughly rinse those cases in hot water with a couple of tablespoons of baking soda in it to neutralize the stuff in the detergent that makes the cases shiny. Its also a good idea to do a final rinse in warm distilled water, then cook 'em in the oven for an hour at 200 degrees to evaporate all the water.
Ooops, forgot to mention the obvious, rinse all detergent off, my bad. Took it for granted people would know to do that. I've been using this cleaning method for quite a while now and I've never found it necessary to go through the baking soda-distilled water routine. My tap water is quite pure and after a thorough rinsing with plain old HOT tap water and about an hour of baking in the 'ol hot Cal. sun they turn out great. Never had a bad load yet after thousands of rounds. Cooking in the oven is completely unnecessary because after an hour or so in the sun they get deprimed anyhoo. If they still need more drying, back out in the sun they go. "Electricity is necessarily going up", as I heard someone say a while back. So save, save, save......By the way Rifter, thanks much for your service to us.

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Old 08-13-2011, 10:27 PM
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OxyClean uses sodium perchlorate as its detergent ingredient. Totally safe for brass.
Rinses in clear water (in fact, it turns to harmless hydrogen peroxide in solution).
Be sure to dry all residue, or it turns white upon drying.

OxyClean didn't invent the use of sodium perchlorate and related compounds for cleaning.
Industry has used it for decades, including food prep and other uses where sanitation is imperative.
Used for copper, brass, stainless steel, and other metallic surfaces.
Safe for all of them.



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Old 08-14-2011, 12:24 PM
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No where in my post does it say I tumble them after cleaning in Oxy.
"An additional benefit of this pre-cleaning is that your tumble media will last a lot longer before needing cleaning/discarding."

I'm sorry, I misunderstood the last line of your original post. I guess it was the "pre-cleaning" reference combined with the part about the media lasting longer.

Like you, I like to have my brass as clean as possible before running it through the dies.
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Old 08-14-2011, 12:56 PM
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Does it clean the inside of the brass?
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:01 PM
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Does it clean the inside of the brass?
Of course. They are submerged in the solution.
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:35 PM
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Why do so many people feel an urge to drown their cases?
Have fun, I guess, but there are a lot more important aspects to reloading than washing cases.
Personally, I don't want to expose my cases to water and unknown chemicals in some OCD effort to make my cases gleam--especially without the word of a qualified metallurgist that the chemicals are safe.
I know, from 35+ years of experience, that 30-60 minutes in corn cob media is more than sufficient.
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:40 PM
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Of course. They are submerged in the solution.
Obviously.
What I'm asking is if the solution is powerful enough to remove the built up crud from inside the cases and/or the primer pockets.
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:55 PM
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Why do so many people feel an urge to drown their cases?
None of my cases have lungs, they are not subject to drowning. They're brass.

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...especially without the word of a qualified metallurgist
I contacted a qualified source. No need for criticism.

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...some OCD effort to make my cases gleam
For these guys, it isn't OCD, it's pride in their hobby.
And maybe they just don't want to use electricity to clean cases.



Different folks show pride in different ways.
And different folks have different methods to get to the same goal.
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Old 08-14-2011, 06:21 PM
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Obviously.
What I'm asking is if the solution is powerful enough to remove the built up crud from inside the cases and/or the primer pockets.

Sure. Obviously though, just soaking is going to take longer than soaking and a sonic vibration agitating things.

If heavy 'crud' is a regular problem, I would use a watertight tumbler like a Thumler's to provide some agitation. You'll be surprised, though, just how effective a 50/50 vinegar/water (acetic acid) solution can be. Even better with a shot of Dawn thrown in.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:40 AM
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Right you are Rifter

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Sure. Obviously though, just soaking is going to take longer than soaking and a sonic vibration agitating things.

If heavy 'crud' is a regular problem, I would use a watertight tumbler like a Thumler's to provide some agitation. You'll be surprised, though, just how effective a 50/50 vinegar/water (acetic acid) solution can be. Even better with a shot of Dawn thrown in.
Try the Oxy with a mix of 10% vinegar added to the water and about 1/4 teaspoon of table salt. Mix 'em up really good for a few minutes and then let the cases sit in the solution for a while (10-20 minutes) and watch 'em shine. A word of caution though don't let them sit too long. I got busy doing honey do's and they were in the mix about an hour or so. When I washed them off a few, very few, had slight spots on them looking sort of like copper. But they all shone as though they had just come out of a tumbler. This way of cleaning would be a great alternative for a person just starting out in reloading and trying to keep costs as low as possible.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:50 AM
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Inside of case cleaning

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Does it clean the inside of the brass?
The inside of the cases are cleaned somewhat but not nearly as well as the outside. But yes, by soaking 'em in the solution you will get a lot of crud out of the inside of the cases. The hotter the solution the better. You'll see how dark the solution turns and most of that is from the inside unless your brass is ultra dirty on the outside. Have fun.....
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:47 AM
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Tumbler with walnut + car polish + dryer sheets + about 8hrs in the tumbler while I'm at work = VERY SHINY, VERY CLEAN, plus the car polish buffs them out/leaves a smooth finish which feeders better in the resizing die.

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Old 08-20-2011, 08:44 AM
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Nice set of posts on an interesting subject. Has anyone tried the OxiClean solution - with or without the vinegar - in a ultrasonic clean with brass?
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:51 AM
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I use a citric acid solution to clean brass. Just hot water straight from the tap, a shot of Dawn's and a little citric acid. Even Kool-Ade makes a decent brass cleaner.

It makes brass sparkle!

As far as drying brass goes, that has not been a problem this summer. Lay it out in the Sun for a little while, and guess what? It dries up.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:51 PM
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OxyClean uses sodium perchlorate as its detergent ingredient.
According to the OxyClean MSDS, OxyClean does not contain sodium perclorate (NaClO4), rather sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate (2NaCO3 + 3H2O2). Different animal.
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:26 PM
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None of my cases have lungs, they are not subject to drowning. They're brass.

I contacted a qualified source. No need for criticism.

For these guys, it isn't OCD, it's pride in their hobby.
And maybe they just don't want to use electricity to clean cases.



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Bravo....Yes Sir...you hit the nail on the head...we all do things differently and that does not mean its wrong.
I have the time to clean my brass, so I do.
I'm sure it does not make it shoot better or keep my dies cleaner...but they sure look "PURDY"...!!!!

I just like my brass looking as good as it can, but not on all brass...my plinking loads are pretty much down and dirty...not really dirty...But you get the drift.

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Old 08-20-2011, 05:34 PM
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Good to go, Don2. I couldn't agree more.




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According to the OxyClean MSDS, OxyClean does not contain sodium perclorate (NaClO4), rather sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate (2NaCO3 + 3H2O2). Different animal.
Good info, friend. If you drop down to Page 4 of 5 in that same MSDS it describes sodium perchlorate under Part 14 Transportation Information.

I went by these descriptions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OxiClean and http://www.livestrong.com/article/16...s-in-oxiclean/ .

If you go to the EPA website here http://www.epa.gov/oppbppd1/biopesti...eet_128860.htm it says that sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate is a fungicide and algaecide.

We should note that the MSDS linked 2 posts above is for OxyClean stain remover. The same company makes separate products for laundry and other applications. For more complete information, we would have to explore each one.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:18 PM
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I use corn cob media and a handful of long grain rice ( do you all know what rice is? LOL) Sorry, just kidding, but some folks dont know what rice is. Anyway, it helps polish the hard black stuff found on fired brass.

I havent tried washing my brass yet though. Lotta nice info. I just might try some of these ideas. Thanks fellas.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:17 AM
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Tumbling with a mix of cc and walnut, using NuFinish polish, works great for me.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:46 AM
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Good info, friend. If you drop down to Page 4 of 5 in that same MSDS it describes sodium perchlorate under Part 14 Transportation Information.
I'm afraid not, it references sodium percarbonate, not sodium perchlorate. I can understand the confusion, they have similar spellings.

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Both links reference sodium percarbonate, not sodium perchlorate.

I think the take away here is that when using a product like OxiClean a review of the MSDS is not a bad idea. MSDSs for this product and for sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate tell us not to mix it with acids (think lemon juice or citric acid sometimes used for cleaning cases). Although, you would not want to mix products in general, especially those containing chlorine like sodium perchlorate -- not that I'm implying anyone has suggested mixing OxiClean with anything here, but there do seem to be a lot of cleaning "cocktails" offered up from time to time in other threads.

Be safe.

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Old 08-21-2011, 04:38 PM
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Good catch.

You are totally correct, my friend.
Maybe I need reading glasses...

Thank you kindly for the follow up.
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