CCW in Ky state parks

[Rod38um]

I'm going to be camping in a Kentucky state park and I cant seem to find any info on the do's or dont's of CCW in state parks. I dont want to rely on the lack of information as permission to carry. I know my Ohio permit is good in KY. I just need to find out if carry is permitted in the state parks and if so, is it also extended to the state owned buildings there as well? (park office, shower facilities,etc)
Does anyone have a link to where I can find this information?

[Assy Mcgee]

give the parks office a call.

most of the parks/forests in KY i've been to have signs saying no weapons allowed, even with a ccw. so i doubt you'll be able to unfortunately.

[scottl]

http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm#faq

http://www.kc3.com/index-2.html

http://parks.ky.gov/regulations.htm

[keith44spl]

I visit family in KY quite often...

The KY State Park & Lake that I visit has signage posted to (No Shooting in the Picnic Areas).



Su Amigo,
Dave

[michael t]

I belive you can carry in the parks I see nothing in any Ky information saying different . Were pretty much able to carry anywhere Their are few exceptions But I see nothing about parks.

[Jesse James]

We only lack 2 points of being perfect.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/KY

[limbkiller]

Originally Posted by Rod38um

I'm going to be camping in a Kentucky state park and I cant seem to find any info on the do's or dont's of CCW in state parks. I dont want to rely on the lack of information as permission to carry. I know my Ohio permit is good in KY. I just need to find out if carry is permitted in the state parks and if so, is it also extended to the state owned buildings there as well? (park office, shower facilities,etc)
Does anyone have a link to where I can find this information?

Carry your gun when you come here. Just stay away from schools, court houses, and post offices and you will be fine. Don't go waving it around and you'll be fine. Hell 3/4 of the state seems to pack. Nobody cares as most of the state is rural or has a rural background. Come spend your money the state can use it.

[Kokopelli]

Originally Posted by limbkiller

Carry your gun when you come here. Just stay away from schools, court houses, and post offices and you will be fine. Don't go waving it around and you'll be fine. Hell 3/4 of the state seems to pack. Nobody cares as most of the state is rural or has a rural background. Come spend your money the state can use it.

That's great.. You should run for office.. No kidding.. Cheers.. Ron

[Assy Mcgee]

i should mention i also saw signs that indicate certain counties prohibited carrying in their parks. one example is jefferson state forest in elizabethtown. they have signs up there stating it's against a county ordinance to carry a weapon even if you have a ccw.

[limbkiller]

Originally Posted by Kokopelli

That's great.. You should run for office.. No kidding.. Cheers.. Ron

Thanks for the support but I've been called a bigot to often along with not being politically ever.

[Southern6er]

Originally Posted by Rod38um

I'm going to be camping in a Kentucky state park and I cant seem to find any info on the do's or dont's of CCW in state parks. I dont want to rely on the lack of information as permission to carry. I know my Ohio permit is good in KY. I just need to find out if carry is permitted in the state parks and if so, is it also extended to the state owned buildings there as well? (park office, shower facilities,etc)
Does anyone have a link to where I can find this information?

You hitting up Turkey Bay/Land Between the Lakes in Western KY?

[Remasculated]

Be careful if it's Lake Cumberland State Park and you decide to go out on the lake in a boat or canoe or something while CCing.

The Missus and I are renting a houseboat on Lake Cumberland in September. I did some digging and found that the lake is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers. Guess what?

The following rules and regulations, published in the Federal Register of February 11, 2000, and amended on May 5, 2000, govern the public use of water resources development projects administered by the Chief of Engineers. Visitors are bound by these Title 36 regulations.

http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/op/wol/rec/title36.htm

Title 36, Sec. 327.13 Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks.

(a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile
firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is
prohibited unless:
(1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement
officer;
(2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under Sec. 327.8,
with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting
and fishing sites;
(3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or
(4) Written permission has been received from the District
Commander.
(b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind,
including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written
permission has been received from the District Commander.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...2000&TYPE=TEXT

[Greyson]

Originally Posted by Remasculated

Be careful if it's Lake Cumberland State Park and you decide to go out on the lake in a boat or canoe or something while CCing.

The Missus and I are renting a houseboat on Lake Cumberland in September. I did some digging and found that the lake is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers. Guess what?



http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/op/wol/rec/title36.htm



http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...2000&TYPE=TEXT

Hmmm....KY is pretty easy about CCWing. As for the USACOE, I dunno. I wonder how the Federal change in policy about CCWing in Federal parks effects this? Might be out of date?

I am aware that boating is it's own thing. But my thinking would be, if I am not drinking, no problem. But generally I am not a boat kind of guy.

As was said earlier, if you are coming to KY, bring your gun and your money. Both are very welcome.

Regards,
Greyson

[Remasculated]

Originally Posted by Greyson

I wonder how the Federal change in policy about CCWing in Federal parks effects this? Might be out of date?

Could be, but I highly doubt it. Federal parks and U.S. Army COE controlled property are two very different things.

Currently from the lakecumberland.com user guide:

NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS ALLOWED
• Per federal regulation, no weapons or firearms are allowed anywhere on the lake, with few exceptions (detailed below).
• The wording of regulation 327.13:
The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless:
(1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer;
(2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites;
(3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or
(4) Written permission has been received from the District Commander.
• The federal law prohibits you from possessing a firearm anywhere on the lake and no exceptions are made for having them inside the cabin of your boat. A boat IS NOT considered your home.
• The only time you can legally possess a firearm anywhere on Lake Cumberland is during a bonified hunting season and only then while actually engauged in hunting activities. The gun must be un-loaded while being transported to and from your actual hunting location.
• Federal law supercedes all state laws. Therefore a Concealed Carry license from any state is void on the lake. Being a concealed weapons permit holder makes no difference because they only give you legal authority to carry a firearm in places where firearms aren't otherwise prohibited (which beside the lake includes schools, post offices, court houses, police stations, and state parks). Getting caught with a concealed weapon in a place where it is prohibited by federal law can also result in loss of your CCDW permit altogether.
• If you have a firearm in your possession on the lake and it isn't visible, then it is concealed, and that's a violation of state law.
• State officers (including Fish & Wildlife game officers) have the authority to confiscate weapons as evidence until a Federal officer (COE Rangers) can arrive to investigate a possible federal offense. Citations would be handled in Federal, not local or state, courts.

http://lakecumberland.com/userguide.php?weapons

Also, I found a thread the other day on a Lake Cumberland boating forum that's a few years old. Poster 'kdfwr911' there is a Kentucky wildlife conservation officer, apparently. He seems to think there are no gray areas:

http://lakecumberland.com/forum/view...d=14179&page=1

[scottl]

This is an area where you have to be careful.Some state parks are also with Corp of Engineers property.Like Grayson Lake,only thing state run is the conservation camp, park and campground.Everything else is under COE control.

[Remasculated]

We appear to be getting closer to CCW being allowed on Army Corps of Engineers property.

On July 14, the House voted in favor of an amendment to the Water and Energy Appropriations Act that, if signed into law, would specifically prevent the use of funds in the bill to enforce federal regulations prohibiting lawful concealed carry on most Corps of Engineers property (i.e. the laws of the state in which the property is located would govern).

On July 15, the House passed the Water and Energy Appropriations Act and forwarded it to the Senate where it now rests in committee.

This is a funding bill for the next fiscal year only, so the lifting of the current restriction on lawful CCW on ACOE properties would be assured only for FY 2012 (and only on certain ACOE properties).

The House proposal to make most ACOE properties CCW friendly on a permanent basis is the Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act of 2011 (H.R. 1865). That legislation is currently sitting in House committee.

Supporting links:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-by-army-corps

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-2354

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1865

[Maddog521]

Try here------www.handgunlaw.us--------

[Sullybr549]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

We only lack 2 points of being perfect.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/KY

Ok ,i'm jealous ! Here in WV we are twice as far away We have 4 points against us.

[1911FiX]

See:

http://fw.ky.gov/kfwis/viewable/ViewableWMA.asp

Click "More Info" regarding the areas you are interested in.

If owned by the U. S. Army / Corps of Engineers - then you aren't supposed to carry. There are a number of areas that are owned or managed by Army / COE - not just Cumberland.

As Remasculated described, those areas owned or managed by Army / COE are not the same as those managed by KDFWR and not the same as state parks or national parks. Maybe that bill will go through but for now, you aren't supposed to carry in those areas.

[jocat54]

Originally Posted by Remasculated

Be careful if it's Lake Cumberland State Park and you decide to go out on the lake in a boat or canoe or something while CCing.

The Missus and I are renting a houseboat on Lake Cumberland in September. I did some digging and found that the lake is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers. Guess what?



http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/op/wol/rec/title36.htm



http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...2000&TYPE=TEXT

I'm just wondering---would renting a houseboat be considered the same as renting a hotel room. Here in Texas you can have a gun in a hotel room.

But thinking about it COE is federal so they would rule I would think.

[1911FiX]

Originally Posted by jocat54

I'm just wondering---would renting a houseboat be considered the same as renting a hotel room. Here in Texas you can have a gun in a hotel room.

But thinking about it COE is federal so they would rule I would think.

Oddly enough:

TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY

CHAPTER III--CORPS OF ENGINEERS,
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

PART 327--RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING PUBLIC USE OF WATER RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ADMINISTERED BY THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERS--Table of Contents

Sec. 327.22 Unauthorized occupation.

(a) Occupying any lands, buildings, vessels or other facilities
within water resource development projects for the purpose of
maintaining the same as a full-or part-time residence without the
written permission of the District Commander is prohibited. The
provisions of this section shall not apply to the occupation of lands
for the purpose of camping, in accordance with the provisions of
Sec. 327.7.

Yet, there are many houseboats on the lake. I don't profess to understand the mess of laws involved.

[Remasculated]

Originally Posted by jocat54

I'm just wondering---would renting a houseboat be considered the same as renting a hotel room. Here in Texas you can have a gun in a hotel room.

But thinking about it COE is federal so they would rule I would think.

This from lakecumberland.com user guide:

The federal law prohibits you from possessing a firearm anywhere on the lake and no exceptions are made for having them inside the cabin of your boat. A boat IS NOT considered your home.

http://lakecumberland.com/userguide.php?weapons

That is not a legal site, it's their interpretation of federal law/ACOE rules.

1911Fix posted the relevant statute, it seems. The ACOE district commander is the sheriff when it comes to water resources development projects (Lake Cumberland, for example) and I highly doubt he'd sign-off a request from a CCWer to be allowed to have a handgun concealed in a houseboat.

My opinion only.

[limbkiller]

Well I live here and so do most of the people I know and we carry just about every where we go. I fish Lake Cumberland several times a year. Meet my fishing buddy from Somerset. We are both armed the whole time. Most everybody is armed here with something. It's just the culture man.