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Old 06-28-2011, 05:53 PM
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RA45T vs RA45B




went to one of the LGS today and saw 230 gr hp Winchester Ranger 45 Bonded. I have the Ranger Talon, which is my carry round, how is the bonded different? Do they have a reverse taper in the jacket and still expand out with those nasty petals? at $35 a box, I might pick some up if anyone here recommends them...
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:12 PM
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Wichester Ranger Bonded is a different bullet than that used in the Ranger-T series. The bonded bullet does not have the reverse taper jacket of the T series, and looks almost like a Speer Gold Dot or Federal Tactical bonded when expanded. Bonded bullets have their jackets, and cores fused together to reduce core/jacket separation through intermediate barriers. Performance is very good, but as with many bonded bullets expanded diameter tends to be somewhat smaller than the unbonded bullets.

Bonded bullets really shine through intermediate barriers particularly auto glass where conventional bullets tend to fragment. If shooting through barriers is not important then I would stick with the RA45T which is still one of the best loads out there. If you can see any reason you may need to shoot through windshields then RA45B may be the way to go.

Here is Winchesters LE ammo comparison tool to help you decide.

http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollec...law_bullit.swf
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:46 PM
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Thanks Bernie, extremely helpful and exactly the information I was looking for. I do love the ranger-T's.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:57 PM
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Another point to consider, too, is RA45B, like all Bonded bullets, will show less expansion, but greater penetration.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:26 PM
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The Ranger Bonded look like the T ammo but may or my not have the talons after expansion. I had seen some both ways. The same with the PDX1 ammo.

The 9mm still uses the old Bonded bullet so it looks like a generic hollow point. Eventually they will change over to the new bullet. I also expect to see a 95gr 380 Bonded added to the Ranger line soon. Probably will be RA380B.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:39 PM
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@hotpig that was the weird thing...when i took the bullets out to look at them, they looked identical to my RA45T's. i couldn't distinguish them. i may just have to buy some and start shooting them at milk jugs filled with wet newspaper.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:51 PM
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@hotpig that was the weird thing...when i took the bullets out to look at them, they looked identical to my RA45T's. i couldn't distinguish them. i may just have to buy some and start shooting them at milk jugs filled with wet newspaper.
The pdx1/ranger bonded looks very much like the older ranger t series with a more rounded profile. The newer ranger t is more conical in shape.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:03 PM
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Interesting. I thought ranger t's where bonded also.

In 45's I have a few boxes of PDX1's & couple of the ranger t's in +p.

The ranger t's bullet looks a little more "pointed" for lack of a better word.

I've read so many of delta's threads saying that the modern jhp's are good penetrators that I've considered carrying them, but of the two not sure which one I would.

I'm starting to think that mabe a jhp would have more "bite" if you will for angles, but regardless one advantage they have over my FMJ's is the low flash powder, something I have only recently began to think about since a lot of SD shootings happen at night. Of course 45 only needs one hit though, right? LMAO, J/K!!

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Old 06-29-2011, 08:15 PM
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They are great penetrators. The pdx1, like the speer gold dots, will not expand quite as much but will penetrate more deeply, and will not fragment through auto glass and the like compared to the nonbonded jhps
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