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Old 03-05-2011, 10:52 PM
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45 steel case ammo




I am looking for feedback on 45 acp steel case ammo using a colt 1911, I have a good deal on tulammo but i never used it. i have used steel case in long guns with mixed results. Any info would be great.
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
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I've fired 100s (many) of pounds of Wolf poly .45acp though my 1911s with no ill effects.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:25 PM
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If you don't intend to reload it's great practice ammo. Used them in .45 Auto and .40 S&W. The powder they use is a little dirty compared to what I normally use but no other complaints overall.

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Old 03-05-2011, 11:30 PM
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My gunsmith, (I trust completely), says steel case wears on the firearm much faster than brass.
He won't shoot it in his guns. So, I don't.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:34 PM
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My gunsmith, (I trust completely), says steel case wears on the firearm much faster than brass.
He won't shoot it in his guns. So, I don't.
Not challenging you but how so? And which parts were they referring to?

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Old 03-05-2011, 11:51 PM
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the .gov used to issue steel cased .45acp ammo
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:02 AM
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Steel case is fine in any weapon it runs reliably in.
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:03 AM
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having a steel case split and jam in the chamber and needed to be very forcibly removed, I will never use steel cased ammo in my handguns again.
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:11 AM
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Not challenging you but how so? And which parts were they referring to?

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Iím not a pistol smith but I'll take a stab at it. It would make sense that steel being harder than brass would be more abrasive to contact points like the chamber, extractor and magazine lips. Does this mean steel cased ammo causes premature wear? Seems like a logical conclusion but it would probably require sending many thousand rounds downrange.
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:46 AM
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With steel head shotgunshells there is more wear on the extractor since the steel expands but doesn't have the properties brass does when trying to go back to the original shape, putting more stress on the extractor. But it takes many thousands of rounds to make a difference. This is one reason why the extractors on former communist block military weapons are so substantial---they were designed to shoot steel cased ammo. How this translates into pistol ammo I couldn't tell you.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:18 AM
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read it's not only the case that is steel, but the bullet itself also has a steel jacket covered with a thin layer of copper. Now seems to me that steel (with only that thin layer of copper between them) on steel would hasten barrel wear. It's price is tempting but it's not for me.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:36 AM
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I have used it in just about everything I own with no problem.I don't make a habit of it unless I can't find anything else.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:00 AM
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I am looking for feedback on 45 acp steel case ammo using a colt 1911, I have a good deal on tulammo but i never used it. i have used steel case in long guns with mixed results. Any info would be great.
Go ahead and shoot it. You'll be fine. I shoot it all the time. Great practice ammo. Next time someone tells you it hurt their gun, ask to see it.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:10 AM
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I'll shoot it in my Glocks, but not in my 1911's.
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:50 PM
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45 steel case ammo

Thanks for the input. I think I will buy it.
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Old 03-06-2011, 04:42 PM
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The steel they use is very soft. I have read on the forum where some people have reloaded Wolf in 45 ACP. (I'm not recommending it just reporting what I've read) The comment about removing the split steel case doesn't hold up to reason. If the steel split, it couldn't have been any harder than brass. Removing a split brass case would have been equally as hard.

That all being said, the only time I have ever shot steel cased (Wolf) ammo was when absolutely no brass ammo was available. I bought 1,000 rnds of Wolf 45ACP which fed and shot with no problem. The powder grunge cleaned off w/o problem. I bought 500 rounds of Wolf .40 cal. The first 2 mags I fired from my HK had cases swell when fired and would not extract. I had to use a cleaning rod to knock them out. I returned the rest back to my dealer. No doubt the swelling was caused by the too hard steel.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:42 PM
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read it's not only the case that is steel, but the bullet itself also has a steel jacket covered with a thin layer of copper. Now seems to me that steel (with only that thin layer of copper between them) on steel would hasten barrel wear. It's price is tempting but it's not for me.
A lot of foriegn military ammo is steel clad under the jacket, which is why a lot of foriegn military ammo isn't allowed at many ranges in the dry West---they cause fires by kicking up sparks ---'tis true!
Range Masters in my area will test a round by seeing if it "follow" a magnet.If it does, it's "out!"
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:47 PM
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The steel they use is very soft. I have read on the forum where some people have reloaded Wolf in 45 ACP. (I'm not recommending it just reporting what I've read) The comment about removing the split steel case doesn't hold up to reason. If the steel split, it couldn't have been any harder than brass. Removing a split brass case would have been equally as hard.

That all being said, the only time I have ever shot steel cased (Wolf) ammo was when absolutely no brass ammo was available. I bought 1,000 rnds of Wolf 45ACP which fed and shot with no problem. The powder grunge cleaned off w/o problem. I bought 500 rounds of Wolf .40 cal. The first 2 mags I fired from my HK had cases swell when fired and would not extract. I had to use a cleaning rod to knock them out. I returned the rest back to my dealer. No doubt the swelling was caused by the too hard steel.
I've reloaded Wolf steel .45 ACP cases and they loaded fine. I'm not recommending it, just did it as a test. The cases actually loaded and shot fine (through Glocks).
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:08 PM
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Wally World now regularly has Tula .380 and .45 in stock, usually at about $14 for a box of 50. Never tried it yet. I ran a few hundred rounds of Wolf .45 through my Milspec several years ago with no problems, but the stuff was really dirty and seemed underpowered, but no surprise at such a low price point.
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:55 AM
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Iím not a pistol smith but I'll take a stab at it. It would make sense that steel being harder than brass would be more abrasive to contact points like the chamber, extractor and magazine lips. Does this mean steel cased ammo causes premature wear? Seems like a logical conclusion but it would probably require sending many thousand rounds downrange.
I agree, you would have shoot a boatload of steel case ammunition to have any wear on the parts if that.

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Old 03-07-2011, 09:54 AM
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IMPORTANT FIREARM SAFETY NOTICE!!!!!!

I strongly urge all readers to stop shooting steel case ammo in their firearms! I, on your behalf, hereby volunteer to safely dispose of any steel cased ammo you may have.....by shooting it in MY pistols, thereby saving you all the possibility of ruining your fine firearms with this nasty stuff.

Just let me know by private message how much you have and what caliber and I will forward you the address to which you you can ship it.

I am nothing if not kind-hearted... I mean it's people helping people that makes this world go 'round.
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