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Old 02-18-2011, 07:15 AM
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Good ball powder for .45 ACP?




I presently use Unique and have used Red Dot in my .45 ACP loads. Lately I've been thinking about trying some kind of "Ball" or "Spherical" grain powder. I've been told these powders meter better thru a powder measure.

What have you guys been using? In your experience does ball powder meter better than flake type powders.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:21 AM
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Ball does meter better than the flake.I have also used unique and it meters close enough. Since then I have used 231, clays, bullseye, and wst all with good results. Lots of good powders out there if you dont want to continue to use unique.

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Old 02-18-2011, 08:40 AM
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Since I`m a noob to reloading, I only have experience with Win 231 for 45. I`m extrememly pleased with how it metered out of my old Lyman measure. I weighed all of the first 25 or so and then every 5th as I reloaded 450 rds last Saturday, and it never varied from the 5.2 gr period. I weighed on a Lyman balance scale and it zeroed every flippin time.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:16 AM
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In your experience does ball powder meter better than flake type powders.
I've seen no difference in how different types of powder meter. This might have been an issue 20 years ago, and specifically with extruded powders, but I think modern manufacturing processes assure us of powders that meter consistently regardless of configuration.

If you really want to try a spherical powder that's good in the .45 ACP, though, I can suggest HS-6. You don't hear too much about this powder, but in my experience it's a good, flexible powder. According to my Lyman manual it appears to be a good choice for most medium sized, straight-wall pistol calibers. Especially if you're wanting to churn out loads at are closer to "full potential", as I like to say.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:31 AM
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A couple of years ago, 231 was "the" general purpose powder of choice. If you search back, there were few folks using much bullseye, or unique for that matter. At least it wasn't talked about much. 231 ruled. Since the component shortages, things have changed quite a bit. 231 was very hard to find for quite a while. So many new reloaders have naturally cut their teeth on bullseye and unique(as well as some others). 231 continues to be a very good choice of powders for 45acp. And don't forget its twin HP38.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:51 AM
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My standard load is 4.3g Clays under a 200g LSWC. I like it because I have quite a bit of Clays on hand from my skeet days and because its an economical powder to load. 4.0g with 230g ball makes for the most soft shooting .45 ACP load I've ever seen. (and one I don't load much because of that)

If you're wanting to replicate factory hard ball then W231/HP-38 and HS-6 are excellent choices. I prefer W231/HP-38 becasue its a little more ecomonical to load. However, you can wring a little more velocity out of HS-6.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:54 AM
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I got some No. 5 per recommendation on this forum. What do you guys say about No. 5? I haven't set up my reloading bench as of yet, but hopefully this weekend I can get a few hundred ready for evaluation.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:25 AM
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I've been reloading 45acp for 20 years and tried other powders along the way, but always found w231 to work the best.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:31 AM
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I like Power Pistol. It meters well, and I've loaded everything from softball cast lead to very hot fmj's. It also burns very cleanly. Only downside is I had to email Alliant to get data for cast lead bullets they don't publish much data for this powder on their website.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:26 AM
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I have a few pounds of Red Dot I will be using before I need more powder. It sure seems like 231 is a favorite. Is there anyone who would not use it if available? Why?
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:18 PM
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I have a few pounds of Red Dot I will be using before I need more powder. It sure seems like 231 is a favorite. Is there anyone who would not use it if available? Why?
Certainly nothing wrong with W231, I've used a lot of it, and yes it's hugely popular.

I use different powders even when it's available because W231 doesn't always provide me what I'm looking for.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:12 PM
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So...from what I'm gathering here, If I'm gonna switch from Unique, 231 is a good safe bet with lots of history.

Another question, other than slightly better metering, do any of you guys think a switch from Unique is warranted? Am I "Mouse milking" here?
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:23 PM
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Wst

Couldn't get 231 for a while so picked up some WST and its working well.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:34 PM
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231 is a good safe bet with lots of history.
Yes, and so is Bullseye.

I used unique a lot in the past, but then chronographed some of my 45 ACP loads and found large SD's and ES's. It would not meter within .2 grains consistently in my lyman measure. I switched over to better metering powders and got much better SD's and ES's with bullseye, 231, power pistol and titegroup.

I've played with several different powders, and my two favorites are bullseye and 231, (deep breath) because it has the best speed for hardball equivalent loads with less felt recoil, they are both cleaner than unique and easier to meter.
Slower powders get you faster (ie. power pistol) but give more perceived recoil. Faster powders get you less felt recoil, but give you less top-end speed.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:30 PM
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231, Bullseye, and Clays for me, mostly Clays. My full size Norinco and My Para P-12 3.5 inch both cycle well with 200 gr. LSWC and 3.8 gr. Clays.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:26 PM
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In addition, Universal Clays is a real good substitute for Unique. It is cleaner and may meter a bit better, though I never had a problem with Unique. Burn rate is very close and load date is ALMOST interchangable. (But not quite)
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:29 PM
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I have a few pounds of Red Dot I will be using before I need more powder. It sure seems like 231 is a favorite. Is there anyone who would not use it if available? Why?
I wouldn't say I would NOT use it, but I don't. I have used 231 in my 45s and I still have a few pounds left, It worked great and I had zero complaints. That said, I found Magic in my 45s with WST and now my jugs of 231 are just gathering dust.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:37 PM
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So...from what I'm gathering here, If I'm gonna switch from Unique, 231 is a good safe bet with lots of history.

Another question, other than slightly better metering, do any of you guys think a switch from Unique is warranted? Am I "Mouse milking" here?
It really depends on what you are trying to do with the loading
If it is for ultimate accuracy then obviously you use what is ultimately the best “worker Bee” in the cartridge.
For this I first lean on N320 for the task

If this is for plinking and or range discipline the standard is less stringent.
But there is still a measure of “what your gun likes” being applied.

I have several loads using the 231 that are very accurate in the 45ACP as well as other calibers.
But, if I want to save some money I use titegroup as a substitute as it provides similar to equal results with lower charge weights and is usually cheaper per pound to purchase
So economically, I am leveraging myself a bit.
Titegroup and WST seem to burn a little cleaner in my guns as well, although I do not consider 231 to be a “dirty” powder.

The bottom line is you have to try these powders
If we all found the same magic in loading, there would be only one
And the choice or decision issue would not exist
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:58 PM
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I'm a fan of Universal. Used it for .40S&W and .45 both. Meters like your scale is broken, and I've gotten excellent velocities to boot.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:28 PM
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I got some No. 5 per recommendation on this forum. What do you guys say about No. 5? I haven't set up my reloading bench as of yet, but hopefully this weekend I can get a few hundred ready for evaluation.
AA #5 was actually developed for 45 ACP. I like it in 45 and 40. AA #2 is also very good for 45. I use 5.5gr AA #2 for 200gr cast in 45 with great results. A soft shooting load in a full size 1911.

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Old 02-18-2011, 11:48 PM
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Accurate #2, or #5 are great choices. #2 burns a little cleaner in my opinion.
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Old 02-19-2011, 05:37 AM
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havin' a ball in the 45 case

W231

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Old 02-19-2011, 06:00 AM
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Another vote for AA #5. I use 8.0 grains and a H&G 34 230 grain LRN. Very accurate in my hardball gun and my Series 70.

Of course, Bullseye (4.6 grains for me, same bullet) also meters extremely well.
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:17 AM
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I have found that Tightgroup and bullseye are my two that i ilke for 45
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:38 AM
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Another vote for WST for lite to med. loads,clean and accuate.
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