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Old 10-22-2010, 10:57 PM
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New Tactical recoil spring won't except g.i. guide rod




So I was going to convert my Tactical's flgr to to standard G.I. (save the why's please) when I came across a prob. The spring just "crunches" up when I rack the slide. It is a genuine Colt Gov. guide rod and plug I am using. I tried the Rock's spring both directions just to make sure it wasn't in backwards, same "crunching and binding". I then put in the recoil spring from my series 80 Colt with the Colt rod and plug and the Rock functioned perfectly. What is the problem with the spring bunching up? The gun is brand new so the spring should not be "shot".
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:04 PM
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The springs for FLGRs are shorter than with the standard system. You need a Gov't model recoil spring. Get a Wolff 18 pounder.

What do you mean by crunching up?
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:07 PM
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Dave, as I pull the slide back it just makes this "crunching sound as it barely moves rearward. I compared the Tac's srping to my Colt's Gov. and they are the same length.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:19 PM
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The springs for FLGRs are shorter than with the standard system.
fo-reel????

I've never heard that before

I thought a spring, was a spring..
I've never seen an application listing for standard or FLGR

just Gov, commander and compact in various weights for each





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Old 10-23-2010, 01:08 AM
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I have use the stock spring with both the gi rod and the full length rod in my tactical and both worked. Not sure why yours does that. Mark
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:05 AM
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A question as an answer

Is the dimension of the grip frame of a RIA identical to other 1911s? The first AMT Skippers (Commander size) had a casting difference. The area in the grip frame where the Guide rod sits against was about 3/16" longer than a Colt Commander.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:58 AM
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:22 AM
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fo-reel????

I've never heard that before

I thought a spring, was a spring..
I've never seen an application listing for standard or FLGR

just Gov, commander and compact in various weights for each





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Doesn't that depend on the type of FLGR used?????
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:44 AM
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mabella- forgive me please not only am I a victim of California gun laws but I am also a victim of California schools. I guess it makes sense that they limit guns to people who went to scholls here, hahaha.
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:46 AM
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Yes I know I wrote scholls, I thought it was funny.
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Old 10-23-2010, 11:13 AM
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Doesn't that depend on the type of FLGR used?????
heck, I donno, Bro...that's why i asked.
I have one 1911 w/FLGR, a Srpinger Loaded.
It came with a 2 pc FLGR, I changed it to a Wilson one pc.
I can't remember if I've changed the spring yet (it will be in my note log if i did)
I "think" I did...but If i changed it, it would of been a "regular" gov spring, cause that's all I buy


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Old 10-23-2010, 02:49 PM
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Reason I asked Cappi is that I've got an Accu-Match Dual-Action Buffer System(How's that for a long title) in my parts bin. The spring for it is shorter than a Gov't recoil spring. Wierd system, back of the guide-rod sits on the Link.
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:49 PM
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Reason I asked Cappi is that I've got an Accu-Match Dual-Action Buffer System(How's that for a long title) in my parts bin. The spring for it is shorter than a Gov't recoil spring. Wierd system, back of the guide-rod sits on the Link.
ahh, gotcha

I know Rocks come with a standard guide rod or standard FLGR.
I was ASSuming (maybe wrongly) he had a normal FLGR


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Old 10-24-2010, 04:08 PM
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Not that anyone cares but i'll close my issue by stating that I ordered a new 16lb spring to replace the "problematic" one from my Rock. It's a Colt factory Gov. Model spring which I know for sure works in the Rock.
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Old 10-24-2010, 04:25 PM
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I am not saying it will not work it prob. will, I use the 16lb spring in mine, FYI RIA uses a 18 1/2 spring in their pistol now, they changed their spring set up a while back they also changed their main spring also from 23lb to 18lb.
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Old 10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
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Night Al, I wonder if that could have caused the binding? Thanks for the spring weight info. I just ASSumed that it was a 16 lb'er. Hmmm. Makes some sense since all the other parts worked fine with the stock Colt 16 lb spring I tried. Thanks again.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:06 PM
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I don't know what would have caused what you said, the springs that fit the 1911 guide rod should have the same inside diameter, the only thing I could think of was the spring was (1) two small inside diameter, dragging on the guide rod. (2) two large outside diameter dragging inside the slide. I guess you tried mixing them up with you other springs and guide rods, you can't tell what is going on inside because you can't see inside. you could take a pencil and draw around the spring as it sets on one end, on a piece of paper, then take the other spring and set it on the drawing to see if they are the same size around, outside diameter.the heaver the spring the thicker the wire, the inside should be the same size.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:18 PM
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I did notice that the Rock's spring looked like it had just the slightest bit smaller internal diameter than the Colt one. Odd that it happened anyway, oh well I will feel better when I get that new spring in there and all my worries disappear. (cross finger
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:54 PM
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Be sure you keep the slide well lubed, you should not have any problems. you know you can cut your FLGR down to the GI size with a hack saw, then file the edges to get rid of the burrs.
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:16 PM
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Drop my guns in a 5 gal. bucket of lube pull out and fire . Real good point about making the flgr a sawedoff, I likes. Oh before I forget hooty hoo to you night Al. Thanks again
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:34 PM
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The springs for FLGRs are shorter than with the standard system.

No they're not. A govt. model spring will work on GI rods and FLGRs. I've never seen a listing for a FLGR length spring.
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Old 10-25-2010, 06:54 AM
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Spring design

I don't have a RIA GM,but, I do own several older Colts and SAs, the Recoil spring supplied on the Older 1911s had the last coils on the GR end closed and then the Plug end was open. The Mil-Spec Plug had a indentation/cut that allowed the Open spring coil to "thread" on. Nice, it kept you from launching Plugs. BTW these are now available. Is the Recoil Spring on the RIAs (GM size) closed coils at the Guide Rod end, Open Coils on the plug end? I only own a CS-Tactical, different configuration.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:41 AM
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The springs for FLGRs are shorter than with the standard system. You need a Gov't model recoil spring. Get a Wolff 18 pounder.

What do you mean by crunching up?

We try to give accurate info around here. Please check your stuff before posting. A point of pride around here is that someone can come in and get accurate answers to there problems.


There is no separate spring for GI and FLGR's.

Why would you say to get an 18# spring? The original spec is a 16#.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:59 AM
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Is the Recoil Spring on the RIAs (GM size) closed coils at the Guide Rod end, Open Coils on the plug end? .
it's quite possible it's closed on both ends .
My last Rock's spring was




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Why would you say to get an 18# spring? The original spec is a 16#.
Bill, Armscor (the makers of RIA) upped the weight some time ago.
Not exactly sure when they did, but I know that they did.
an Armcor rep mentioned the spring weights on the other board some months ago.
Full size get an 18 pnd recoil spring now.


I can only presume it was an attempt to decrease the amount of FTRTB some folks have with their new Rocks.
BTW, they also lowered the mainspring wt to 18 pound..

My original Rock (made in '07) had 16 pnd recoil spring and 23 pnd mainspring


FWIW, I use Wolfe 16 pnd recoil springs when replacement time is due.
But the stock OEM spring is 18


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Old 10-25-2010, 08:01 AM
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it's quite possible it's closed on both ends .
My last Rock's spring was






Bill, Armscor (the makers of RIA) upped the weight some time ago.
Not exactly sure when they did, but I know that they did.
an Armcor rep mentioned the spring weights on the other board some months ago.
Full size get an 18 pnd recoil spring now.


I can only presume it was an attempt to decrease the amount of FTRTB some folks have with their new Rocks.
BTW, they also lowered the mainspring wt to 18 pound..

My original Rock (made in '07) had 16 pnd recoil spring and 23 pnd mainspring


FWIW, I use Wolfe 16 pnd recoil springs when replacement time is due.
But the stock OEM spring is 18


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Seriously, if a 1911 GM won't run with hardball and a 16# spring, it's a gun issue, not a spring issue.
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