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Old 10-04-2010, 07:14 PM
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Owning a handgun under 21 in Missouri




So I've been doing research on Missouri's gun laws, and I"m more confused than when I started. Can anyone clear them up for me? I'm 20 years old, is there any way for me to own a handgun legally?
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Old 10-04-2010, 07:31 PM
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Only if it is a gift, or you inherit it. The gift gets hazy especially if you are not living at home with an adult over the age of 21. Same for it being inheritted .

Sorry but you really need to be 21 to stay clear of legal issues like going to the range etc. Most ranges require an adult of 21 to even allow you to shoot a handgun.

Hang in there..A year isn't quite as long as it seems.

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Old 10-04-2010, 10:45 PM
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Sorry Shootist2121, but you are incorrect. That only applies to a juvenile, and a juvenile is defined as anyone under 18.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000080.HTM
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922

Perfectly fine if you obtain it by a private sale. You simply can't buy one from a dealer. For some stupid reason, you can OWN a handgun if you are 18, but you can't BUY one from a FFL dealer unless you are 21. That's why the NRA is currently suing the ATF.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37107009/D...ATFE-Complaint
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Old 10-04-2010, 10:52 PM
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So I've been doing research on Missouri's gun laws, and I"m more confused than when I started. Can anyone clear them up for me? I'm 20 years old, is there any way for me to own a handgun legally?
To my knowledge, it is perfectly legal to own a handgun in Missouri while under 21. You just can't buy it or the ammo until you're 21. Weird, I know. See if you can get a parent to gift one to you, perhaps?
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:51 AM
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You can legally own a handgun if you are 18 years old. You just can't buy one from a dealer. My son legally owns a Beretta 92fs that I gave him. The reason for a Beretta is that next year he goes to the Air Force. He is going in as Security for the first two years then transfering to paralegal. As far as buying ammo for a pistol there is a way around the law. If asked "is this for a pistol" tell them no for a rifle. There are plenty of rifles that shoot pistol calibers. If it's a 45acp you do own a Thompson right?

There is a instructor here who teaches a Utah CCW class and says you get a Utah CCW permit and carry when you are 18. I'm not really sure about this as the classes I instruct are MO only.
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:33 AM
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Ok cool, so what about transporting it to the range? Can I be ticketed since I'm under 21?
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:23 AM
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The reason for a Beretta is that next year he goes to the Air Force. He is going in as Security for the first two years then transfering to paralegal.
Does he have that written in his contract? If he does i'd be surprised. Cross training to a new job as far as i'm aware isn't always guaranteed. When someone submits a package they are usually recommended to list more then one job in case the one they want gets dissaproved....AF needs come first.

On Topic: I'm moving to Missouri soon...can't wait to finally leave Cali
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:40 AM
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I scanned NRA-ILA and it doesn't say anything about ages. So I would assume you would be Ok to posess if you were going to the range or something.

I bought... I mean my dad bought... my first handgun when I was 19. In MN its legal to posess and go to the range unsupervised and all that fun stuff. Don't flirt with carrying though unless you are dead nuts sure of the laws.

You won't be able to buy ammo, but you can buy all the reloading components you want!! I was loading 9mm and 45ACP two years before I could buy it factory new.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:45 AM
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Ok cool, so what about transporting it to the range? Can I be ticketed since I'm under 21?
I would think you should be fine as long as you keep it unloaded and either in plain sight or in a secure box or whatever the law says you need to do to transport it.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:52 AM
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Does he have that written in his contract? If he does i'd be surprised. Cross training to a new job as far as i'm aware isn't always guaranteed. When someone submits a package they are usually recommended to list more then one job in case the one they want gets dissaproved....AF needs come first.

On Topic: I'm moving to Missouri soon...can't wait to finally leave Cali
if your going to move to missouri you better change that screen name. guess who the only undefeated team in the NFL is? Kansas City Chiefs.
anyways back on topic. you can own one but cannot buy one from an ffl. i have my utah carry permit. i have this one because i was able to carry alot sooner. missouris permit states you have to be 22, i was 20 at the time. hope this helps
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:55 AM
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it might also be wise to talk with an attorney who is pro 2nd. there is a good one in gladstone missouri but i cannot think of his name for anything right now.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:24 AM
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Legally..Yes he can own a handgun.. As I stated he can have it gifted or inheritted and yes even a private sale...Problem is purchasing ammo, transport and having it in his possession without and adult at age 21 or older..

You have to be 21 to carry the firearm in the confines of the car/truck cabin..If you transport in the trunk, unloaded and secure..You are still in trouble if found by LE..Unless an adult is with you and knowing you are tranporting the firearm in the trunk.

Having the firearm in a private residence..eg: an apartment without an adult and is discovered by LE you will be charge with pocession of a firearm till you can legally prove ownership and even then you will be harassed about it being in you possession with out an adult living there...

Yes this is wrong from legal ownership point of view ..But it is reality...How often does this happen?...A fair amount according to my LE contacts here in St. Louis and St. Charles..Usually because somebody snitches..The firearm is confiscated and then a pain to resolve..

My brother had a Ruger Single Six..At eighteen..Living at home with my mother... Neioghbor saw him walk from the house to the car and placing it in his trunk to go to friends farm to shoot..She called the LE and before he got the car out of the garage they had him blocked in and took the firearm even though he showed proof of ownership..My mother had to go get the firearm from the local LE's...Now that was years ago.. I mean years..Like 20...

Unfortunately this still happens. We've created such fear in people that any common sense has disappeared..Remember when teenagers use to go hunting right after school for rabbits and such...Now they have to go home retrive their shotgun/22 and then go and hopefully hunt on friendly property and not be seen by some urbanite who's moved from the big city to enjoy nature..

Modrunner..I'm just trying to keep you from the crap that comes with firearm ownership till you are 21...I know it sucks.. I was shooting competition at your age and luckily I had my father with me almost every outing.. I was stopped perhaps three times from the age of 18 to 21 to prove ownership, etc..Mostly at ranges I might note..If you live in more rural setting.. I would hope it be less..

Last week up at Logan Range near Troy.. The Highway patrol and the Missouri conservation dept were screaning folks..This is a unmanned shooting range by the Missouri conservation Dept. I was there with a student..This was the first time I even saw any LE at the range doing this.. Hope this doesn't become the norm..

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Old 10-05-2010, 10:47 AM
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it might also be wise to talk with an attorney who is pro 2nd. there is a good one in gladstone missouri but i cannot think of his name for anything right now.
Kevin Jamison? That's who I use. Wrote a book on gun law in Missouri.
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:54 PM
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Be patient grasshopper. Good things come to those who wait. In the next 12 months (likely less) keep doing research and keep saving $$. The more you have saved, the better gun you can buy, the more magazines, the more holsters/belts/mag carriers. Owning a handgun can get expensive quickly.

The hassle of technicalities (as well as uninformed LEO's should you have a run in with the law) is not worth the pain.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:04 PM
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Kevin Jamison? That's who I use. Wrote a book on gun law in Missouri.
that's the one. thank you
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:18 PM
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Legally..Yes he can own a handgun.. As I stated he can have it gifted or inheritted and yes even a private sale...Problem is purchasing ammo, transport and having it in his possession without and adult at age 21 or older..

You have to be 21 to carry the firearm in the confines of the car/truck cabin..If you transport in the trunk, unloaded and secure..You are still in trouble if found by LE..Unless an adult is with you and knowing you are tranporting the firearm in the trunk.

Having the firearm in a private residence..eg: an apartment without an adult and is discovered by LE you will be charge with pocession of a firearm till you can legally prove ownership and even then you will be harassed about it being in you possession with out an adult living there...

Yes this is wrong from legal ownership point of view ..But it is reality...How often does this happen?...A fair amount according to my LE contacts here in St. Louis and St. Charles..Usually because somebody snitches..The firearm is confiscated and then a pain to resolve..

My brother had a Ruger Single Six..At eighteen..Living at home with my mother... Neioghbor saw him walk from the house to the car and placing it in his trunk to go to friends farm to shoot..She called the LE and before he got the car out of the garage they had him blocked in and took the firearm even though he showed proof of ownership..My mother had to go get the firearm from the local LE's...Now that was years ago.. I mean years..Like 20...

Unfortunately this still happens. We've created such fear in people that any common sense has disappeared..Remember when teenagers use to go hunting right after school for rabbits and such...Now they have to go home retrive their shotgun/22 and then go and hopefully hunt on friendly property and not be seen by some urbanite who's moved from the big city to enjoy nature..

Modrunner..I'm just trying to keep you from the crap that comes with firearm ownership till you are 21...I know it sucks.. I was shooting competition at your age and luckily I had my father with me almost every outing.. I was stopped perhaps three times from the age of 18 to 21 to prove ownership, etc..Mostly at ranges I might note..If you live in more rural setting.. I would hope it be less..

Last week up at Logan Range near Troy.. The Highway patrol and the Missouri conservation dept were screaning folks..This is a unmanned shooting range by the Missouri conservation Dept. I was there with a student..This was the first time I even saw any LE at the range doing this.. Hope this doesn't become the norm..

Just my two cents
How about posting a link to the Missouri statutes that require adult supervision for an 18-yr-old? I'd like to read that for myself!!
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Old 10-05-2010, 02:21 PM
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How about posting a link to the Missouri statutes that require adult supervision for an 18-yr-old? I'd like to read that for myself!!
He can't, because it doesn't exist. Any LEO who tells you otherwise doesn't know his @$$ from a hole in the ground, and it looking at a lawsuit for illegal search & seizure.

Relevant Missouri statutes and U.S. Code:

RSMO 571-080
18 U.S.C. Section 922(x)

This ONLY applies if you are a juvenile as defined by 18 U.S.C. Section 922 (x),(5).

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(5) For purposes of this subsection, the term ďjuvenileĒ means a person who is less than 18 years of age.
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Old 10-05-2010, 02:42 PM
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Ok cool, so what about transporting it to the range? Can I be ticketed since I'm under 21?
Don't quote me on this, but I believe the law states that if you are transporting it (in a case) or using it for defensive purposes (i.e. picking it up to defend yourself, not carrying), you're fine. Check the Missouri statues listed in this thread for more.
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:37 PM
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I know there is no law covering supervision...Try telling that to a LE..Yes they maybe exposing themselves to a lawsuit..They don't care!...Because few if any are every filed because of the cost of litigation...

I'm not trying to fight with you or argue... I'm well aware of the statutes and how often LE work around them..

Most ranges require adult supervision from a liability issue from their insurance carriers...

Good God...I was just trying to keep the guy from stepping into a pile of crap..You can quote the law till you are blue in the face.. Try it the next time someone discovers you carrying in a ill mark prohibited place (You have CCW card)..By law you are suppose to be asked to leave..Right? Even though the prohibit sign is illegal...I had four independent Restuarant managers tell me they'll just call the Cops.. The least you will get out of that is a summons for disturbing the Peace.

I've done my home work too! ...There is the law and then there is reality!
I'm not going to banter this any further..You do as you please...

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Old 10-05-2010, 05:34 PM
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Alot of illegal(fullauto conversion) and stupid shooting goes on up at Logan. Without supervision that's what they get. When I lived in Troy I use to go up there to shoot, then I found the St. Louis Benchrest Rifle and Pistol Club. Much safer and saner, and just as close to Troy. As far asthe question of the OP. Don't take the chance, please wait until you are 21 years old. You could wind up with a hard nose prosecutor and end up with a felony and then you are done. No firearms ownership, no right to vote. All it takes is a hard case Leo and D.A. and you are screwed.
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:48 PM
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Here in Utah you can purchase a handgun via private sale at 18. Sounds similar to the laws in MO


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There is a instructor here who teaches a Utah CCW class and says you get a Utah CCW permit and carry when you are 18. I'm not really sure about this as the classes I instruct are MO only.
You are incorrect about the Utah permit. You must be 21 to obtain one. The permit you are thinking of is from Maine as long as your state recognizes the non resident Maine permit then you should be fine.
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:29 PM
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I know there is no law covering supervision...Try telling that to a LE..Yes they maybe exposing themselves to a lawsuit..They don't care!...Because few if any are every filed because of the cost of litigation...
So...we should just let the police do whatever they want because if they violate your rights, most people won't sue? Sorry, but that's not the America I live in.

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I'm not trying to fight with you or argue...
But you're doing a pretty good job of it.

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I'm well aware of the statutes and how often LE work around them..
Again, not in the America I live in.

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Most ranges require adult supervision from a liability issue from their insurance carriers...
Most ranges are private and can do whatever they want. One range I belong to requires that you be a NRA member. They can require you to be 100 and purple if they wanted. A private club can do whatever they want. Even a range that is open to the public has the right to refuse service to anyone they want.

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Good God...I was just trying to keep the guy from stepping into a pile of crap..You can quote the law till you are blue in the face.. Try it the next time someone discovers you carrying in a ill mark prohibited place (You have CCW card)..By law you are suppose to be asked to leave..Right? Even though the prohibit sign is illegal...I had four independent Restuarant managers tell me they'll just call the Cops.. The least you will get out of that is a summons for disturbing the Peace.
Legal signage not withstanding, if the owner asks you to leave, you leave. Oh, and even if they call the police first, you won't get cited for trespassing unless you refuse to leave when the police tell you too.

Not sure what "pile of crap" he's going to step in if he follows that law. The cop who harasses him maybe, but not him.

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And yet you posted opinion, not fact. The fact is, as long as he follows the law, he's ok.

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Like a said above, that not the America I live in!

Seriously, if you're going to try to answer the guy's question, you should answer him with facts, not opinion or hear-say.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:14 PM
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Thanks for all the info/opinions guys. I really do appreciate it. I think I'll wait to purchase and just be content to go shooting with my grandpa every month or so until I'm 21. One more question, Missouri law states that I have to be 23 to have my CCW, can I still own the handgun at 21 and safely transport it to ranges without legal trouble?
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Old 10-06-2010, 01:59 AM
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Thanks for all the info/opinions guys. I really do appreciate it. I think I'll wait to purchase and just be content to go shooting with my grandpa every month or so until I'm 21. One more question, Missouri law states that I have to be 23 to have my CCW, can I still own the handgun at 21 and safely transport it to ranges without legal trouble?
Transporting and carrying are two totally different things. You'll be fine transporting your weapon to the range. You can also get a Non-Resident Utah CCW permit at 21, then get your MO permit when you're eligible for it.
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Old 10-06-2010, 07:17 AM
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Transporting and carrying are two totally different things. You'll be fine transporting your weapon to the range. You can also get a Non-Resident Utah CCW permit at 21, then get your MO permit when you're eligible for it.
You can also legally carry a loaded gun in the passenger compartment of your car if you are 21. (No permit required.)

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