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Old 09-29-2002, 07:13 PM
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Best Ammo for Muzzle Flash 45 ACP




Has anyone ever done a little test on muzzle flash for ammunition?

Specifically 45 ACP and defense ammunition?

Any recommendations?
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Old 09-29-2002, 07:31 PM
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Try the Remington 185 +p golden saber. It has a big flash. And if you want even more, leave a little bit of solvent in the barrel before you shoot. ****Notice I said a little. Put a small drop towards the front (muzzle) of the barrel. Then load a magazine, chamber a round, and enjoy.
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Old 09-29-2002, 07:35 PM
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S&B 235 FMJ ball ammo seems to do pretty well in most .45ACPs for low muzzle flash. Some don't consider it defensive ammo.
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Old 09-29-2002, 07:42 PM
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Wasn't this covered in one of the gun magazines in the past couple of years? I recall an article with a number of pictures of various muzzle flashes in low light. I don't recall the source, but I bet someone here does.
If you got the article, then you could pick out the flash that suited you... either high or low.
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Old 09-29-2002, 08:45 PM
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Well isn't the idea to have the LOWEST muzzle flash possible?

Most SPECIFICALLY I was looking for the difference between Winchester Silver Tip and Federal Hydra Shok....or more examples if possible...but those two compare specifically.

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Old 09-29-2002, 09:23 PM
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I wonder how they get those huge white muzzle flashes in the movies? I'm thinking they add some flash powder to the propellant. Or, maybe they just use all flash powder since they're shooting blanks.
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:21 AM
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Most fast pistol powders will burn completely before reaching the end of the barrel. 45 uses very fast burning powders which generally has little to no muzzle flash.

Movie guns fire blanks. Those blanks are packed with really slow burning powders and they pack as much in as possible to create the largest possible muzzle flash.
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:52 AM
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Most defensive handgun ammo has flash suppressant mixed in when necessary. Standard-pressure .45 loads don't usually need it, however. Years ago I did night shooting with a .45 at a training class. I was using cheap Remington-UMC ammo that uses a very dirty powder, so I doubt it's one of the lowest-flash .45 rounds out there. Nonetheless the flash was never a problem. The gun itself hid the brightest portion from me, and what I actually saw was just a dim purple flicker each time I fired. It was never bright enough to blind me. +P ammo is another story however, as it leaves a lot of unburned powder that finishes the burning process once it exits the muzzle and contacts the outside air.

If you want to see a bright flash, try firing a hot +P 9mm or .40 load out of a really short barrel, such as a Kahr or mini-Glock. I was using Cor-Bon 9mm in my Kahr P9 until I shot some out of it at the range, and noticed a fairly large fireball each time I fired it even under proper indoor light.
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:54 AM
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Well isn't the idea to have the LOWEST muzzle flash possible?
No, the idea is to have a flamethrower effect to finish the guy off just in case the bullet doesn't.
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Old 09-30-2002, 05:51 AM
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muzzle flash

I believe Ross Seyfield did the article for Guns and ammo
back around 91-92 or so I dont recall the results and it
covered all calibers but a .357 was the champ
just think of the cover of Mossad Ayoob's stress fire
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Old 09-30-2002, 06:54 AM
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.38 Super has a pretty good flash at dusk .

Some other extreme flash
7.62 Tokarev
Ruger Blackhawk .30 Carbine
a more obscure one is
S&W M53 in .22 Remington Jet
American Derringer in .223 Rem

You could roast marshmellows .

As far a .45 acp with low flash , I like Federal 230 Hydra Shok
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Old 09-30-2002, 08:27 AM
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The best muzzle flash (meaning the biggest) that I have seen is Aguila 117 gr. IQ ammo. You can get a fireball 12" across and a couple of feet long. On a cool day, the radiant heat from the flash is rather nice.

By best, you meant biggest and brightest, right?
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:41 PM
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Black powder firearms produce real nice muzzle flash complete with sparks.
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Old 09-30-2002, 05:29 PM
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muzzle flash

An EXTREME muzzle flash, also known as "the FIREBALL" is very important for close range defensive work. Be sure that if for some reason your bullet doesn't hit home, you will instantly incinerate the offending felon, thus ending the fight. Right.....OK, the load with the lowest possible flash signature is to be desired for all defensive scenarios.
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FACTOID

No powder is fully consumed in a handgun barrelb (even a long barrel); don't care how 'fast' it is.

One other interesting side-note: what is low-flash in YOUR gun may not behave identically in MY gun.
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Old 10-02-2002, 06:41 AM
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I did a comparison about a year ago, using Hydra-Shoks, Golden Sabers, Gold Dots, Proloads, and Triton Quick-Shoks.
The Golden Sabers seemed to have the least amount of muzzle flash.
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Old 10-02-2002, 04:21 PM
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Re: FACTOID

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No powder is fully consumed in a handgun barrelb (even a long barrel); don't care how 'fast' it is.

One other interesting side-note: what is low-flash in YOUR gun may not behave identically in MY gun.
Won't that be FACTOIDS since you gave two?? Your side-note is a key bit of information for LB1911.
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MEBBE, MEBBE NOT

No.

One was a factoid; one was an interesting side-note.
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Old 10-02-2002, 05:45 PM
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I suppose . . . still good advice.
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Old 10-02-2002, 05:54 PM
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ADVICE

Thank you; I hadn't considered that it might be advice
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Old 10-03-2002, 04:13 AM
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Muzzle Flash FYI

In general muzzle Flash or signature is dependent upon variables such as the level of existing light, barrel length, primer type, ambient temperature (of both the gun/ammo and the outside air) and the level of moisture in the air at the moment of firing.
Both Winchester and Federal add low flash powder blends to their LE ammo product lines.

Using a 5" test barrel at 89 degrees F and 76% humidity the following loads have shown to exhibit low or reduced muzzle flash (defined as not visible over the pistols sights):

Winchester RA45TP
Federal Tactical 45+P
Federal XM1911
Pro Load 230gr GDJHP
Black Hills 230gr GDJHP

The following loads exhibited moderate muzzle flash
(Defined as visible but not obscuring the front sight):

Triton 165gr 45 Lite JHP
Black Hills 230gr +P
Corbon 165gr jhp+P
Corbon 185gr jhp+P
Corbon 200gr jhp+P
Corbon 230gr jhp+P
Federal 230gr Hydra Shok


The following loads exhibited high muzzle flash:

Remington 185gr JHP+P
Remington 185gr GSJHP+P
Remington 230gr GSJHP
Winchester 185gr STJHP
Triton 230gr QS and HVELJHP
Mag Safe 96gr Defender
RBCD 115gr TFSP
RBCD 90gr TFSP
Federal 185gr Hydra Shok +P
Federal 200gr EMJ+P

We have added muzzle flash testing at the AmmoLab and the 10mm results are online here:
http://www.ammolab.com/muzzle_flash.htm
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Old 10-06-2002, 10:16 PM
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Speer Gold Dots have a treated powder and very little flash.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:52 AM
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surplus ammo in an m44 will send out quite the flame, i know that's not .45 but if you're just looking to see a big flash that will do it for you.
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:38 PM
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Wilson Combat's ammo is very good about flash. Ranger T-series is decent, HST is decent, Gold Dot is excellent.

I have not done a lot of night testing, but I will say that a ported handgun is a LOT of fun...
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:52 PM
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big flash

If you are a reloader you can do all sorts of things to enhance or subtract muzzle flash. Slow burning powders in shorter barrels will create brilliant flash -- barrel length makes a big difference. Try some of the "short barrel or compact" loadings that Speer offers for min flash. If you reload for short barrel guns use faster powders 231/hp-38 -- titegroup -- 5 inch barrel guns should do well with unique -- universal -- accurate #5
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