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Old 09-21-2010, 11:12 AM
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Smallest 1911 cal .45?




I'm looking for a 1911 cal .45 for concealed carry. It has to be smaller than Commander size, since I already have one and it prints too much for my needs.
Any suggestions? TIA
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:36 PM
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I would guess the Colt New Agent or Defender.
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:41 PM
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How about the Kimber Ultra CDP? It has a 3" barrel and carries well in a MS VMII.

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Old 09-21-2010, 01:44 PM
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The smallest 1911 pattern in .45 I'm aware of is the Para-Ordnance Slim Hawg. There have been many reports of issues with both quality and customer support from Para recently. The Colt Defender (conventional sights) and New Agent(sight trough) are well thought of and only slightly longer in the grip frame. The CCO format (Commander length slide, short grip) is a favorite of mine and Dan Wesson makes a very nice example. I'm sure other forum members with more experience than I will weigh in soon with their recomendations.

Good luck in the hunt.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:52 PM
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I live in Florida aalso. I carry a Para Slim hawg and no problems. Had about 200 roundss so far. I did have the grip safety, slide stop and the hammer changed to all stainless parts. Love the gun !! I am only 5'7 but works well with a high noon holster or a Remora(clipless). I do alternate it with aPM45 and Glock 27.

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Old 09-21-2010, 03:18 PM
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My SA Micro is small. Still, most anything in 45ACP is gonna be a bit fat ... relatively. So, Officers, Micro. etc. All are no hassle to shoot.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:27 PM
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The Detonics Combat Master has a slightly longer slide/barrel and slightly shorter butt than the other compactest .45s of the Defender/Ultra/Micro ilk.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:57 PM
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This says smallest in the world...
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/adventurer.shtml
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Old 09-21-2010, 06:05 PM
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I'm looking for a 1911 cal .45 for concealed carry. It has to be smaller than Commander size, since I already have one and it prints too much for my needs.
Any suggestions? TIA
I have a 3.6" Wilson Sentinel in 45acp. It is reliable and light.
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Old 09-21-2010, 07:45 PM
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This says smallest in the world...
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/adventurer.shtml
Hmm, forgot about the Adventurer. Looks like it may be shorter than the Para, maybe even shorter than the Detonics Combat Master-note that the mag capacity is 5+1, what was Detonics capacity? Slide is tad bit longer than Defender/New Agent-barrell length is listed as 3.2 inches. Would love to try one on for size, especially in alloy, to see if it is controllable. Price is out of my neighborhood.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:35 PM
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Small 45 acp

Although not too many to be found anymore, the Star PD is a lite weight 45 auto that carries very well. I have carried my Star for many years and many miles and I have no doubt it will do the job when needed.
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:24 AM
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Just sorry Star closed ! Would have been seller today !!
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:50 PM
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I usually carry a Kimber Ultra Raptor. My wife carries a High Standard Crusader Compact.

When I bought my first carry .45, I had three to choose from. The Para Hawg, the SA V10, or the Kimber Ultra. I ultimately went with the Kimber based on a) weight b) ability actuate controls as a southpaw, and c) how it fit my hand.

The Para lost out on the last one. While I've got slim hands, they're still plenty big enough. And the Hawg hits me about halfway up the palm without the mag extension.

The V10 lost out due to the difficulty in manipulating the slide release with the index finger of my left hand.

That left the Kimber. Which fit all three criteria.

Had I known about the HS/RIA compacts, I would have probably went with them, as they are a little less spendy than the others, and carry just as good.
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Old 09-23-2010, 04:12 PM
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Compact .45 APC

I have a SS Para Wart Hawg. I am very pleased with it. Lots of rounds through it w/o problems, accurate and 10+1 rounds of 45 APC.
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Old 09-25-2010, 11:39 AM
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The Kimber ultra line is highly concealable and reliable. Springfield makes the EMP in .40 cal and 9mm. They are slightly smaller than the ultra but you pretty much need a caliper to tell the difference. I own a .40 cal and after some initial extractor problems it has been reliable and accurate. If I could only keep 1 pistol, it would be my Kimber CDP Ultra.
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Old 09-26-2010, 09:28 PM
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I think if someone were to make an officer size 1911 in 10mm, I'd be all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake.

(Then I'd have 10s in all 3 sizes)
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:09 PM
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Springfield Armory EMP is smallest production 1911 TYPE, but nothing is standard parts. Kimber ULTRA's are the smallest production w/ any real track record. Lots of Ultra models available. Eclispe and Stainless Pro Carry have steel frames. Kimbers are very reliable in the Ultra size, other manufactuerers, not so lucky. Springfield also makes a Micro Compact, which is not the same as the EMP.
I looked for and found a SIS Ultra. Superb! 200 rounds of four brands of ammo, four different Kimber KimPro Tac magazines, flawless, and amazing accuracy.
With any and all small autos, firm, consistant grip, is critical importance.
Practice and confirmation on reliability w/ carry ammo is manditory.
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:55 PM
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[QUOTE=snoman;2859611]I think if someone were to make an officer size 1911 in 10mm, I'd be all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake.

(Then I'd have 10s in all 3 sizes)[/QUOTE


No production models but a 'smith that posts here has built a couple as custom items. Not sure but maybe Joe Chambers.

And there are at least 4 lengths of 1911s even if you're confining yourself to Colt models. Once you start the "mix-and-match" of frames and slides that Colt has put together you're gonna need a lot more than 3 pistols
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:50 PM
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In terms of carry model 1911s, having that 10mm officer model would be sweet.

However, getting the longslide version from Nighhawk is a little out of my price range.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:21 PM
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Kimber Ultra it is!

Now, which family?
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:19 PM
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before you leap, look at an older Para 6/45, still for me the smallest feeling of them all.
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:44 PM
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Para 6/45, Carry, PDA, Slim Hawg-all use the same height frame and 3" barrel. I believe they are the smallest .45 caliber 1911 clones available in production form.

My AMT DAO 45 is smaller but very far from being a 1911.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:08 AM
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Although not too many to be found anymore, the Star PD is a lite weight 45 auto that carries very well. I have carried my Star for many years and many miles and I have no doubt it will do the job when needed.
Those Star PDs are sweet constant companion pistols. I rather like the BHP no grip safety design also. Spare maggies and parts are sketchy, tho.
Maybe those gun makin' boys in Georgetown, Texas will pick up on this pistol. If IIRC it's 3/8ths of an
inch, or thereabouts, shorter in the grip length like the Detonics Combat master, but 1911 parts are not interchangeable. I never should have sold the TWO I had. I had scrounged up 8 spare mags... I rotated four every two months for carry.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:21 AM
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If you do not mind preowned, STI made the Ranger, an abbreviated frame that's shorter than the Officers grip length, offered on their Escort, Guardian, Shadow, www.stiguns.com. Barrel length is listed at 3.9 in. Exceptionally accurate for a short barrel .45!

The original Ranger, with bull barrel/no bushing is a blued frame/stainless slide gun. Fixed combat sights with a Novak rear sight cut. VERY CONCEALABLE and worth digging for on the used market... anywhere from 750-$1000 depending on condition & where you find one.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:49 AM
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Hi all.
I have and yet to shoot It a Smith & Wesson Pro Series 1911 In 45 ACP with a 3" BRL. black stainless slide over a black aluminum? frame. I have black Hogue finger grove rubber grips, and a black holster. It all works well with dark shorts/shirt? ( Out of sight, out of mind ) Just my 2 cents. Hank.
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