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Old 08-15-2010, 06:30 PM
Hell_Toupeť13 Hell_Toupeť13 is offline
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Taurus PT 1911 vs Remmington R1 1911?




Hey all, Im in the market for my first 1911 and I've narrowed down to these two companies, I dont mind upgrading the R1 over time and putting on better grips, trigger, etc but is the platform really that different from a Taurus? I'd say on looks/style alone the taurus beats out the R1, I love the look of the Taurus, you have to admit its a beautiful looking gun straight out of the box, the only thing that makes me have second thoughts is its made in brazil compared to the R1 being American made. Basically I'd like to hear everyones thoughts on what would be the best investment, most reliable gun to buy for a first time 1911 owner?
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:53 PM
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Hey all, Im in the market for my first 1911 and I've narrowed down to these two companies, I dont mind upgrading the R1 over time and putting on better grips, trigger, etc but is the platform really that different from a Taurus? I'd say on looks/style alone the taurus beats out the R1, I love the look of the Taurus, you have to admit its a beautiful looking gun straight out of the box, the only thing that makes me have second thoughts is its made in brazil compared to the R1 being American made. Basically I'd like to hear everyones thoughts on what would be the best investment, most reliable gun to buy for a first time 1911 owner?
thanks in advance
-Jim
Well you used the word "investment" so I would guess that over the long haul the resale of the Remington will be better than the Taurus due to public brand perception. From a standpoint of reliability it comes down to the individual weapon. At least Taurus makes their own parts and offers a lifetime warranty that follows the gun. Remington offers only two years to the ORIGINAL purchaser. Brand recognition aside, I would opt for a used Taurus from a warranty standpoint if I were the buyer.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:02 PM
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the Remington is a better built gun.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
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I have both and although the Taurus looks fancier and has a lot of bells and whistles, the R1 is a better quality. Both of mine shoot well though and have been very reliable. Have been thinking about selling the Taurus and getting a Commander size 1911. The Remington though is a keeper. I see having it until they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:27 PM
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This may not be an option, but if there is a range in your area that rents guns then it would be nice to shoot before you buy.
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Old 08-17-2010, 12:35 AM
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the Remington is a better built gun.
What test do you base this well thought out statement on? As far as I know the R1 hasn't been out more then a few months... The PT-1911 has been out since 2005... and has seen many many happy purchasers... myself included.

Now this is not to say the R1 is a bad gun... far from it... I wouldn't mind having one myself... But the design has not been out long enough for me to qualify a statement such as yours.

I know the R1 has a Cast frame for example... and at it's price point I am sure there is a far amount of MiM and other casting prevalent as well.... Not that I think either process results in an inferior product in and of itself, however this goes to illustrate that these guns are in the same price bracket, and offer similar build methods.
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Old 08-17-2010, 12:57 AM
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Basically I'd like to hear everyones thoughts on what would be the best investment, most reliable gun to buy for a first time 1911 owner?
thanks in advance
-Jim
Although the Remington has not been out that long, I expect it to be reliable as most of the purchasers here seem to be happy with them.

As far as investment, I don't expect either one to be a collectible gun at any time in the foreseeable future (say, next 60 years or so).

The Taurus seems remarkably reliable for it's price bracket (but then, so does the RIA at roughly half the price and less parts have fallen off RIA's then Tauri).

Seems that as of late, Taurus has stepped up their quality control and less things are breaking and falling off than in the past (they also have a warranty superior to that of Remington...problem is...nearly all manufacturers have a warranty superior to that of the Remington R1.)

Of the two you have listed, being you are rather new to the 1911 I might have to support your choice of Taurus here as they have far and away the superior warranty (hard to beat lifetime).
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Old 08-17-2010, 02:32 AM
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The warantee is only as good as the service they provide, Taurus has a well deserved reputation for crappy customer service, Remington does not. Simple as that.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:00 AM
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Having purchased a Remmy R1 back in June and putting approximately 350 rounds through it, I would recommend it to anyone. Great looking and great performing 1911.





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Old 08-17-2010, 02:42 PM
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Nice looking piece there. Why the grip condom?? No fan of the short trigger but that is something that's easy to change.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:16 PM
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That is a tough call and I do not think I would let warranty play a big role in your decision. Chances are, not far from where you live, there is a good mechanic with more 1911 experience than anyone at Taurus or Remington has. A warranty may give some folks peace of mind I guess but I would only consider using it in the case of a lemon or a catastrophic failure. Both makers seem to frown on aftermarket mods in connection with their warranties. I would say buy the one that is as close to being what you want it to be as it comes out of the box. I have both but for different reasons.
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:03 PM
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:40 PM
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JMHO Remi R1

Remington R1 is made in the USA. Mine has been flawless, no complaints. If you just need a basic GI style pistol the R1 is great. It runs smooth, tight lockup, both factory mags work great, shoots JHP. The bigest complaint from others is the rollmarks, but they dont look to bad in person, as in pics.
From what I understand the Taurus "Lifetime Warranty" is a nightmare. The Taurus finish is not that hot (tool marks).

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Old 03-30-2013, 12:49 AM
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I can honestly say that my experience with Remington warranty service has been HORRIBLE.

They quote a 7 day turnaround in their 2 year warranty. 1 week. That seems rather fair. However, to this day, Remington has had my R1 for 4 weeks. 4 weeks to clean up some minor issues. Minor issues include sloppy trigger, grip safety has LATERAL play, causing a pinch point, and the slide has burrs on the inside which are rubbing the frame in a manner not prescribed by Rev. Browning, and the finish is actually FLAKING off... I bought the pistol on Valentines Day this year. Two days later I opened the service/repair ticket with Remington, before even firing the pistol. It took a week for their initial response, then 3 days later to confirm that they were sending the package to return the pistol. March 1, same year, I received the package to return the pistol, and they had the R1 in their hands on Monday, March 3. There has been no indication as of today that any progress has been made in the repair of my pistol other than "Repairman is in the process of servicing the firearm/part." I have emailed Remington several times per week over the last 4 weeks with little more information than that.

Sorry, got to venting there.

Had I the money, I could have custom ordered a pistol from Cylinder and Slide in shorter time than it is taking Remington to remedy a few production flaws. The customer service has been minimal, at best, and my frustration grows with each passing day. I bought into an R1 because of the favorable reviews, and have been horribly disappointed.

My local Bass Pro sells a polished stainless Taurus PT-1911, with many more ergonomic features for about $100 less than the R1. Plus, it's Stainless. Polished. Even if you beat it in and out of a composite holster daily, it will look better over time than the crappy "whatever" finish on this R1.

Also, as others have pointed out, the Taurus has been in production for a while longer than the R1. I thought I was buying into tradition when I chose Remington, I failed to acknowledge that they are relatively new in this iteration of the 1911. Having said that, there are so many producers of the 1911, that not a single manufacturer should be SUB-PAR in quality. Kind of like the Small Block Chevy. you can find inferior parts if you try, however most parts are generally acceptable. The same can be said for the 1911, I think. Perhaps I just was lucky enough to get the most Lemon flavored Lemon of the bunch, and my wait time might be some weird anomaly, but the combination of the two has really proven to be too much for me to abide.

I too seek a more reliable version of the 1911, and am leaning toward the Taurus. A less-patriotic version of me might also look more seriously at the Girsan offering (MC1911 available for less than 500 at buds gun shop).

Well, that's my $.02, adjusted for inflation.
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:25 AM
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If you are buying it to shoot, customize, shoot, rinse, repeat, the Taurus.

If you want to invest in a 1911 the Remington, with one small caveat. Remington has been treading close to being the new brand to hate of late with all of its less than stellar price point guns, importing alot of different manufacturers for a couple years, then dropping the entire lines. They are playing chase the market, but seem to have no real vision.

If you want an investment gun, Colt.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:38 PM
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I can honestly say that my experience with Remington warranty service has been HORRIBLE.

They quote a 7 day turnaround in their 2 year warranty. 1 week. That seems rather fair. However, to this day, Remington has had my R1 for 4 weeks. 4 weeks to clean up some minor issues. Minor issues include sloppy trigger, grip safety has LATERAL play, causing a pinch point, and the slide has burrs on the inside which are rubbing the frame in a manner not prescribed by Rev. Browning, and the finish is actually FLAKING off... I bought the pistol on Valentines Day this year.
So did you order the R1 online? I'm sure you would have noticed these flaws at gun store no? You should have just had vendor exchange you a new one. I would love to see what this flaking looks like. My R1 trigger rattled too but I just took it apart and spread the trigger arms wider so not to rattle in the frame.
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:43 AM
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I have both. Both have been compleatly reliable. I have shot more than 10K rounds in the PT 1911 but much less in the R1. I can hit a 4" circle at 100 yards with the Taurus but the Remington is even more accurate in my opinion.
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:39 AM
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I owned a PT 1911 and I sent it back 2 times then sold it. The problem was the barrel was junk. I switched barrels with my RIA and then the problem went away and went to the RIA. I cannot understand why Taurus didn't replace the barrel. I have had no luck on any of the 6 Semi auto pistols from Taurus but I still own a couple of their revolvers. One of my local gun store has quit selling them at all because of constant problems and the long wait for service. I would look at the Remington or an RIA or an SA and stay away from the Taurus.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:46 PM
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I've been shopping for my first 1911 for months. I've read all the reviews, asked questions of the fine folks on this forum, etc. It all comes down to handling different guns and getting a close look at them.
I went to every LGS in my area and got my hands on every 1911 I could.
I have to say that I disliked the R1. I got to handle several. On each of them, the triggers felt weak and sloppy, and the guns rattled a bit.
For some, this is no biggie...just some simple tuning. But I didn't want to have to tune something right out of the box.
I ended up buying a Taurus. Mainly because it had all the b&w's I wanted right out of the box. The triggers and slides are tight. And even though the customer service is hit and miss, a lifetime warranty is nothing to take lightly.

My advice? Take your time, handle the guns, and figure out what you like and what's most important to you.


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Old 04-05-2013, 11:20 PM
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:35 PM
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I got the R1. I use it as my EDC, as well as range gun. It my first weapon I've ever bought so I'm new to the firearm family. I have felt the Taurus at the LGS but I didn't like the look/feel of it. Plus "Made in America" with the name "Remington" was the selling point for me.

But honestly, if I had to do it all over again, I'd spend the extra $500 or so and get a Kimber Custom II or something.
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:37 AM
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Raptor,
Don't hang your hat to high on a Kimber. I had a Colt and a couple SA that I had been shooting, but always drooled over a Kimber, and listened to the Kimber hype. Finally I could wait no more. I ordered a full size Kimber from the custom shop because my LGS said they really make it nice. So added another $500 to the base price. 14 weeks later, it finally arrived. It was pretty, I loved looking at it, I showed it to everyone. I didn't want to shoot it and get it all dirty. It was pretty!
Finally my "friends" got to me and to the range I went, I lined up my 1911's on the bench like little soldiers. Hundreds of rounds later, my arm ached, my shoulder abused, as I stared at my soldiers and studied the targets, the Kimber wasn't any better shooting, but rest assured.....IT WAS PRETTY.
Bottom line, IMHO, if you buy a Kimber, buy it for the right reason, because its pretty!
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:50 PM
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You can't the Taurus for the money. I have the Stainless one.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:37 PM
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What test do you base this well thought out statement on? As far as I know the R1 hasn't been out more then a few months...
Remington has been out couple years. I have handled both, The R1 has very nice fit and finish. The slide to frame fit is tight and slick. The trigger on the one I used(R1 enhanced) was about 3.5-5lbs and crisp. No need to change. Over all I was very impressed.

The Taurus was fine, over all a good gun but the slide frame fit had some play, trigger was good.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I owen a DW Guardian .45 and a Colt National Match 70 series. I am in the market for another 1911 in stainless as a high volume shooter. After looking at several,I plan to get the R1 enhanced here in the next couple.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:43 PM
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I've been shopping for my first 1911 for months. I've read all the reviews, asked questions of the fine folks on this forum, etc. It all comes down to handling different guns and getting a close look at them.
I went to every LGS in my area and got my hands on every 1911 I could.
I have to say that I disliked the R1. I got to handle several. On each of them, the triggers felt weak and sloppy, and the guns rattled a bit.
For some, this is no biggie...just some simple tuning. But I didn't want to have to tune something right out of the box.
I ended up buying a Taurus. Mainly because it had all the b&w's I wanted right out of the box. The triggers and slides are tight. And even though the customer service is hit and miss, a lifetime warranty is nothing to take lightly.

My advice? Take your time, handle the guns, and figure out what you like and what's most important to you.


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