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Old 09-10-2002, 07:50 PM
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Do SA guns with serial number starting with "NM" have no marking?




I saw a new Milspec today and it's serial number started with a "N" and it had "Imbel Brazil" marked under the dustcover. I was wondering if all guns who's serial number start with "NM" have no visible markings. Springfield said that guns not marked "FI Brazil" are finish in the US, so I'm trying to piece things together. If all "NM" guns have no markings then they must all be finish here and that can be used to identify a Milspec without the markings.

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Old 09-10-2002, 08:29 PM
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The Mil-Spec I had from 1992-1995 was prefixed "NM" and did not have the FI Brazil stamp.

The only markings it had on it IIRC was the serial number and makers name on the frame, and M1911A1 on the slide.
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Old 09-10-2002, 09:28 PM
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NMxxxxxx

My number begins with NM, and it does not have any Brazil stamps on the exterior of the gun.
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Old 09-10-2002, 11:16 PM
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My Loaded SS(9151) has the NM prefix and no Brazil markings

My loaded Champion(9511) has the N prefix and has FI brazil on dust the cover

Both are 2001 Models
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Old 09-12-2002, 07:17 AM
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My Trophy Long Slide has the NM prefix, and no Brazil, Imbel, etc..
markings that I can see. Gun was made in late 2001, I think.
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Old 09-12-2002, 07:37 AM
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I have a "NM" prefix on my gun. It dont say Brazil on it anywhere.
I got this new in the late 80's or early 90's.
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Old 09-12-2002, 08:30 AM
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Read my reply under " Are Springfields made in Brazil "
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Old 09-12-2002, 07:41 PM
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Check your NM frames under the grips. That is where its at on my Operator.
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Old 09-12-2002, 09:36 PM
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I checked under the grips on my (9151) and only found a number (xxxxxM)stamped above the top grip escution on the left side
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Old 09-12-2002, 11:05 PM
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Check your NM frames under the grips. That is where its at on my Operator.
Nope, had the grips off plenty times. Mine is just an early gun I guess.
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Old 09-13-2002, 05:50 AM
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Same here,
Nothing stamped under the grips of my TRP S\S or my Trophy Match.
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:43 PM
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Talked to the dealer..he said NM stands for national match. Don't think he knows what he is talking about! But he stated that national match means the standard by which the barrel was tested by. My 2 cents.
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Old 10-25-2002, 10:11 AM
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Springfield uses the prefixes of "N" and "NM" to designate 1911-A1 type pistols, just as we used "AM" as the prefix for the P9 series of pistols. The only pistols which use the national match frames are the complete custom pistols built through our custom shop. These pistols have "Springfield Custom" etched on the slide, and will have the "NM" prefix to the serial number.

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Old 10-26-2002, 05:02 PM
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I was always under the impression that NM stood for New Model.
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Old 10-30-2002, 07:47 AM
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My stainless Springfield is marked F1 Brazil, and has a NM serail number. It's at least 6 years old. Bought it used from a friend, but he can't recall when he got it. It was the old 5" standard model with a Beavertail grip safety. Only problem I've had with it is the extractor.
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Old 10-31-2002, 03:50 PM
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My loaded Champion's SN starts with NM, and there is no SA emblem/logo crest stamped on the slide. Always thought that was strange.

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Old 04-03-2003, 09:08 AM
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Springfield uses the prefixes of "N" and "NM" to designate 1911-A1 type pistols, just as we used "AM" as the prefix for the P9 series of pistols. The only pistols which use the national match frames are the complete custom pistols built through our custom shop. These pistols have "Springfield Custom" etched on the slide, and will have the "NM" prefix to the serial number.

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I have a stainless SA loaded with a NMXXX serial number. This gun was purchased for around $700. The gat appears to be well fit and finished. In comparison to my other Loaded SA that is not designated with a NM serial number this gun is much better in fit and finish. The barrel appears throated and highly polished and the the ramp is as well and the frame to slide fit is extremely tight. This gun has had some additional work done on it at the factory. Can you enlighten me as to what exactly may have been done?
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Old 04-06-2003, 02:14 PM
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This comes up alot

Sean, You are right. NM is finished in the US.

Deb, Not to imply that I know much about this - but, a while ago I researched this issue with another person at your shop. Her reply was as follows.

"In regards to the NM models built here vs. the N models assembled in Brazil we do not have a set schedule of when and how many we build here at the factory. Nm models are added to production plans as filler to keep the factory busy in slower times."

Based on my conversations with this person it is my understanding that NM's are finished in the US by Springfield and N's are finished by Imbel and assembled in the US.

NM doesn't mean National Match - it indicates it was finished in the US. You won't find an NM prefix with FI BRAZIL - if you do post the pics!! IMO - the NM product is more refined in fit and finish but you know what people say about opinions.....

Before anybody feels compeled to go on about Imbels world class factory please understand that I am not being critical of them or SA pistol with "the Mark". The Nxx prefix frames are fine they are pretty much a "Mil-Spec" level of finish, the tolerances are the same - no problem its all good. It just takes less time to remove (sand out by hand) the machining marks on a NM frame - for me this ONLY comes up on a full house custom pistol. Which is why I asked the question of SA to begin with.

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Old 04-11-2003, 12:57 AM
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Personally, I don't care whether it's made in the US or Brazil but I own two guns with 'NM' prefixes and neither of them have any reference to Brazil or FI or Imbel anywhere on them. The other 8 or 10 or so other Springfields I own or have owned that have a 'N' Prefix, have a reference to being made in Brazil somewhere on the gun.

Having said that, my Lightly Loaded has a Brazilian made frame and has been 100% with everything I've put through it and is probably the smoothest shooting Springfield I own, if not the best fit.

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