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Old 04-30-2010, 10:56 PM
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Trojan vs. Spartan? Noticable performance/accuracy/reliablity differences?




For those of you that own both Trojans and Spartans, is there a noticable difference that justifies $300? Accuracy? Performance? Reliability?

I plan on getting one for IDPA/USPSA matches. I'm a shooter so I don't really care about the cosmetic differences of the gun.

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Old 04-30-2010, 11:07 PM
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For those of you that own both Trojans and Spartans, is there a noticable difference that justifies $300? Accuracy? Performance? Reliability?

I plan on getting one for IDPA/USPSA matches. I'm a shooter so I don't really care about the cosmetic differences of the gun.

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For me, the undercut trigger guard and the Bomar sights make the difference very striking. The Spartan is a great entry level pistol with a couple of desirable mods. The Trojan is a fine firearm of extraordinary accuracy and feels/shoots like a much higher priced custom built firearm. You'll spend more tricking out the Spartan to get it like you want for competition. I've not found any need for mods except a Tritium big dot front sight, on the Trojan. It runs perfect and shoots way better than I am capable of, according to Mr Ransom.
But perps beware, I'm running a close second to that guy and he can really stack 'em in.

Good luck with either choice. Both will serve you well. The Spartan is a good entry level, 1911 pistol. The Trojan is top rate, right out of the box. They both have the same lifetime warranty. Service at STI is stellar. I keep the Spartan in the trunk for a full size back up if i'm out with just the NAA PUG on me. My EDC is an Escort.

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Old 05-01-2010, 12:05 AM
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For those of you that own both Trojans and Spartans, is there a noticeable difference that justifies $300? Accuracy? Performance? Reliability?
I don't own one but I do shoot with some people who do. I would like to joke that "on both, the bullet comes out the same end"...but I won't. The guy in our group who has the Spartan out-shoots the other guy two to one...
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Old 05-01-2010, 08:37 AM
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Yes. In parts quality--- I bet that if you took 100 Trojans and a 100 Spartans there would be an edge w/ accuracy in the Trojans. Just considerably more handfitting.

No, in the sense if you just want a general use gun that is reliable.

The Trojan is a great value along w/ the Spartan. Just apples Vs. Oranges.
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Old 05-01-2010, 08:34 PM
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Hello: I have shot the Trojan in 9 and 40 and can tell you that the Spartan in 9mm and 45acp will shoot just as well. I own both the 9mm and 45acp Spartans. They don't need much to make them very good. My 45acp has about 5600 rounds through it and still has a tight frame to slide fit. The lock is perfect as well. The only mods it has are grips, Dawson front fiber sight(0.100 wide), extended mag release, 14lb ISMI recoil spring, 17lb ISMI mainspring, Ed Brown sear spring, and now a Dawson Ice no gap magwell. The trigger is set at about 2.5lbs just where I like it. I don't have enough rounds through the 9mm yet to give an honest reply. It has only 40 rounds through it. So far so good though. These are game guns for me so the finish doesn't matter much to me. I may get the 45 hard chromed at some point. I bought them from Shooters Connection. Hope this helps. Thanks, Eric
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:57 PM
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Trojan 5 9mm

I have the STI Trojan 5 in 9mm and the Escort in 9 and I am firmly in the STI camp. Although I have not fired the Spartan, I am sure that based on my other STI experiences that it is a fine gun. I would not get too wrapped up in the apparent difference in value based on the cost. $300 is little difference when you consider the cost of ammunition anyway, especially if you want to shoot competitively. At this point, with over a thousand rounds through my Trojan without any malfunctions, I think I can say with a high degree of confidence that you would be very happy with the Trojan. I got mine from Brazos Gun Works with the performance package including a 3# trigger. For my money, STI has the best triggers anywhere, and I've had some high dollar trigger jobs. One of the differences I see is the grip. I got mine with the thin grip which fits my small hands best. The Spartan, apparently, has the standard grip, and, according to the STI site, does not have any other options. The Spartan comes with the fiber optic front site. I have a fiber optic site on one of my other 1911s and it is OK, but I don't necessarily prefer fiber optic sights (for personal reasons beyond the scope of this discussion). But the the adjustable rear site on the Trojan (I think it's the same on the Spartan) is very good, and I generally prefer the standard front sight on my Trojan. The Trojan is extremely accurate. STI is known for their accuracy. And, of course, the biggie question is the caliber you want it in. If you want it for competition, and you will be doing a lot of shooting, you may prefer the gun in 9mm. The Spartan only comes in .45.

The Trojan is my favorite range gun and I like it better, even with open sights than I did my S&W 1911 9mm Pro Series with a red dot (which the STI replaced).

At this point, regardless of which one you choose, I'm going to make a shameless pitch here for Brazos Gun Works (you can find them online). You will not likely find these STI guns discounted more than 10% of of MSRP anywhere. If you buy it online, or from Brazos, you will have to pay shipping and the FFL transfer fee. But those may less than or equal to your local sales tax, so it's a wash. However, I believe that what they do with their performance package is a real value. They go over the gun completely, polish the internal parts, do a complete trigger job to the pull weight of your choosing and verify that everything is up to spec. I understand STI products to be very reliable anyway, but the ones I've gotten from Brazos have been flawless. And I've owned too many others guns that turned out to be unreliable, at best.

Good luck. What a fun decision to have to be making.

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Old 05-21-2010, 09:08 AM
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Hello: The Spartan come in 45acp and 9mm. I have both There is a rumour that they may bring out a 40 Spartan. Thanks, Eric
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Old 05-21-2010, 05:05 PM
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Hi. The Spartan was my first STI with the Escort being the second. I liked the Spartan so much I looked into the cost to customize it like the Escort. I sold it and bought a Trojan. What a gun; Now I have one in.45 and 9mm. There both great guns for the money, ones just a little greater.

PS. Dawson Precision bent over backwards to help me with a correction on the 9mm.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:24 PM
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Just picked up my second Trojan today. I just lucked into it used. Now have one in 9 and 45. They look really nice next to my Ranger II. I am kind of a fan of STI!
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Old 05-22-2010, 09:36 AM
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Oops!

AirCooled is right. The Spartan does come in 9. I think I had a slip of the (mouse) trigger.

But you're looking in the right direction.

An acquaintance at the range told me that if I tried an STI that I would want one. The next week, a friend of mine brought his Trojan to the range for me. I put about 20 rounds through it, went home and bought one that day.

When my son shot it, his jaw dropped after 3 rounds. He couldn't believe the accuracy. If you can even look at the gun at a shop, compare the smoothness of the action with any other gun on display. I think you will get the picture.
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Old 05-22-2010, 02:51 PM
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If you can even look at the gun at a shop, compare the smoothness of the action with any other gun on display. I think you will get the picture.
Aint that the truth.

I have some upper end 1911's but none match my STI's.

When i rack my Trojan it feels like opening the drawer of a high end ball bearing tool chest. Its a beautiful thing
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Old 05-22-2010, 11:10 PM
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Is the action that smooth on the Spartan though? The main parts of it are manufactured by another company. I am sure that STI being a 100% employee owned company would not put their name on a pistol that was lacking, but i am wondering if after extended use the Spartan will begin to loosen up and rattle like some of its other competitors.

I have heard installing a larger barrel link will increase the slide to frame tightness, can anyone confirm or disaffirm this?
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Old 05-23-2010, 08:52 AM
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aint that the truth.

I have some upper end 1911's but none match my sti's.

When i rack my trojan it feels like opening the drawer of a high end ball bearing tool chest. Its a beautiful thing
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:11 AM
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RSXR, I can't speak directly to the comparative smoothness of the actions of the Spartan and the Trojan. I can't even remember if I have compared them side by side, but a shop that carries STI will likely have both in stock at any given time.

I think I can address the wear and reliability issues though. STI sells a wide variety of guns that are known for their accuracy and close tolerances. They are very well known for their competition and race guns. While not specifically designed as a race gun, the GP6 is touted for it's accuracy after 10,000+ rounds. Many of their guns are built or have parts built in different corners of the world and they don't appear to have sacrificed any quality.

My personal choice between the Trojan and the Spartan is the Trojan, but I have no reason to believe that long term reliability would be any worse for the Spartan. Simply put, I've owned a lot of different handguns and STI is the best in my book.

I thought I had quelled my appetite for guns that I really didn't need... until I discovered STI. Now I want duplicates in every caliber they make (of the guns I already have). That's how crazy STI has made me. And I don't want to overstate the case, but STI just makes a very accurate gun. Now, my Trojan 5 is more accurate than Escort (3" barrel), but I'll match the Escort's accuracy against any other 3" production gun out there. Most of the production pistols out there today are accurate enough, and I certainly don't wish to impugn the reputation of anyone else's piece, but, of the guns of similar design that I have personally compared side by side, using rests and bullseye style shooting, STI has been the winner, hands down.
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