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Old 04-24-2010, 07:42 AM
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Guncrafter Industries .50 GI




Anybody here own and/or carry one of these?
I like the looks of this round.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:58 PM
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The pistols from Guncrafter are expensive but from what I understand have a lot of handfitting and are not out of line with the asking price. The round has a lot going for it since it's basically a 45 that makes an even bigger hole. The downside is ammo availability and increased cost to shoot, even if you reload. If you don't mind spending the money go for it.
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:10 PM
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There is a gentleman that I shoot IDPA with that bought one (a 5" hard chromes model without the rail). He shoots it in ESP and with the 300gr bullet at 825 fps, let's just say he makes power factor!

I was SO'ing a match and was not happy initially about having to stand next to that thing for 5 stages...

I shot a couple mags through it and interestingly, it is not bad at all with recoil or noise.

The pistol was VERY well fitted, accurate as hell and oozed quality. the trigger was right about 4lbs and broke nicely and the slide was comparable in feel to my Wilson CQB (smooth and tight). FWIW he has over 500 rds thru it and nary an issue.

Plus, he gets 'man points' for shooting an 85rd match at $1.39 a round

He has since ordered a Commander-sized, so I guess that says something.
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:04 PM
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Plus, he gets 'man points' for shooting an 85rd match at $1.39 a round
is correct!! $118.00 a match
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:14 PM
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There is a gentleman that I shoot IDPA with that bought one (a 5" hard chromes model without the rail). He shoots it in ESP and with the 300gr bullet at 825 fps, let's just say he makes power factor!

I was SO'ing a match and was not happy initially about having to stand next to that thing for 5 stages...

I shot a couple mags through it and interestingly, it is not bad at all with recoil or noise.

The pistol was VERY well fitted, accurate as hell and oozed quality. the trigger was right about 4lbs and broke nicely and the slide was comparable in feel to my Wilson CQB (smooth and tight). FWIW he has over 500 rds thru it and nary an issue.
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Thanks for the shooting synopsis. I am somewhat familiar with the round. I've an acquaintance who carries one for DUTY. He's the agency armorer and talked the sheriff into ok-ing the piece for duty. No criminals anchored with it yet, but being a rural county, he's put several hogs down with one shot and carries it when afield as a back up to his hunting round.

I saw a deer he shot from a tree stand. Bambi walked under the stand and had a sizable rack. Couldn't get a shot with the rifle so he took it with the .50GI... dang near severed the head at the neck. I've fired it. Recoil is in line with a LW frame +P 45 with a little less snap.

I do believe that Mr Zimmerman, the builder, is extremely well versed in what makes a 1911 tick. I've not seen them yet, but I know he's making a slide and mag for the .45 Glock that converts it to .50GI. I bet that's a handful.

Now, I just need to figure how to save the money for this. So many 1911 variants, so little money. I certainly don't see them as ever being mainstream issue weapons, but I'd like to own one. Helluva conversation piece at the range for sure. Beats the crap out of the wondernine.

I'd like the Commander size, my self.

Thanks all, for the replies. And Thank YOU, USMC 0802 for your service to our country.

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Old 04-27-2010, 12:40 PM
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I just picked one up locally, with a less than 50rnds fired, at a very good price. Comments are spot on about the recoil, lacking the snap of 10mm.

Came with a 45 barrel and lots of mags, really does oozze with quality, fit and finish surpasses any handgun I've owned, better than LB, Sig, HK.

I've shot some 300's at 850, but intend to load mostly 300's at 725 and/or 230 Copper Hollow Points at 1000.

Don't see a need for another 1911 purchase in the future.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:54 PM
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I just picked one up locally, with a less than 50rnds fired, at a very good price. Comments are spot on about the recoil, lacking the snap of 10mm.

Came with a 45 barrel and lots of mags, really does oozze with quality, fit and finish surpasses any handgun I've owned, better than LB, Sig, HK.

I've shot some 300's at 850, but intend to load mostly 300's at 725 and/or 230 Copper Hollow Points at 1000.

Don't see a need for another 1911 purchase in the future.
Congrats on the score 0700! I own a 3 incher in .45 that was done by Zimmerman of Guncrafter before he started making the .50. Or so I was told by the previous owner. I bought it used in a pawn shop. It's a fine piece. Top quality throughout. If it was an aluminum frame, I'd carry it daily. As I bought an Escort for EDC, it's mainly my range gun now. It has adj rear so I can shoot all sorts of ammo through it and it's quick to dial in.

I've convinced myself I NEED a .50GI.......
maybe I'll get lucky and pick one up used, like you.
However, I shall not covet my listmate's Guncrafter Ind .50 GI
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:16 AM
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You sound like a candidate for this:

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model3.shtml

Aluminum-shaluminum

That 3" should go where you go!


http://shop.alessigunholsters.com/It...0Kimber%20Guns
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Old 04-29-2010, 10:17 PM
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You sound like a candidate for this:

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model3.shtml

Aluminum-shaluminum

That 3" should go where you go!


http://shop.alessigunholsters.com/It...0Kimber%20Guns
Well, if it was my only 3 incher, I'd agree. The STI Escort is 22 oz. unloaded. The steel custom build we're discussing is 32 oz. The Escort has adj sights, too. It just carries all day long, better due to the weight. I don't feel like I need suspenders to keep my jeans up with the aluminum one.

There's not a frog whisker's difference in the feel or operation of either one. Hence, practicing with the steel one just like the aluminum one, transfers well to the street carry of the Escort. Being lighter,it does present a little faster from the leather than the steel.
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Old 04-29-2010, 10:34 PM
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A good friend has one, and its his every day carry gun, he has done a lot of reloading experimentation and has passed most of that along to Mr Z.

I have shot about 40 rounds thru the gun 20 factory and probably that many or a little more of his reloads, It may very well be the best made 1911 on the planet.

Its a plain working gun, but oh does it work!
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:23 PM
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I have heard nothing but good things about the quality of the 50GI rigs. And who doesn't like a 50 caliber pistol?

But the downside is the ammo. Unless you are a committed 1911 person who can self-rescue and an avid re-loader, I advise you to pass. I run about 7000rd a year in 45ACP. My goal is to shoot more in 2010 and get as close to 10,000 and have it be quality shooting.

But $1.39 a round gets insane really quick.

Again, I like the round. I like the concept. And while I consider it a wildcat, and probably a fad, secretly I wish it well. Unlike the 45GAP which I despise as a re-loader! . But I shoot way too much to ever seriously mess with this setup.

So my advice to the OP is this: You want it? Buy it. But remember...you ARE taking a risk. However small some may say it is. There is a risk down the line this caliber could die, never take-off (read forever stupid expensive), or you could become disenchanted with it and, "want to fund another project". If any of these things happen, are you prepared to take that kind of hit on resale?

Or put another way...is the .50GI a "til death do us part" kind of weapon for you? 5-10-20 years from now? Honestly?

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Old 04-30-2010, 02:14 AM
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Sorry Greyson,

Brass is being made, stocking up on brass is not a deal breaker if you can drop 4 to 5 grand on a pistol, getting a few thousand cases for your toy is not going to stop you. there are two companies set up to make lead and plated bullets for it as well as Hornady making two kinds of jacketed bullets.


Its not going to replace the .45 acp, and no one is suggesting that, but its going to be as easy to get parts for as 9x23 or a 50 de for a long time

Sure ammo is expensive, but look at the 500 S&W, the 50 DE, the 460 S&W or the 454 Casull. Its right in that ball park, but made in a better gun.

Brass is only ,39 cents a case, and bullets for jacketed are 21 cents a piece. Its a very easy case to reload, and case life is approaching 20 reloads per case for my friend, when loaded .2 grains below listed max. IF you shoot a .454 casull, that brass cost is slightly less than what I see Hornady brass going for, and just about the same as what starline .454 brass is going for.

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Old 04-30-2010, 10:40 AM
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Who is making the plated bullets? I have some 245gn that came with gun I can't identify

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Old 04-30-2010, 10:44 PM
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Who is making the plated bullets? I have some 245gn that came with gun I can't identify
Yikes, those should be a screamer if loaded for horsepower. Probably, I'd like the 275-300 grainers. I think B_I_G bullets at moderately medium pace, dump the greatest amount of energy. But I like 45/70 government lever actions, too.

Listen, if you grow tired of yours, PM me anytime.
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Old 04-30-2010, 10:46 PM
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A good friend has one, and its his every day carry gun, he has done a lot of reloading experimentation and has passed most of that along to Mr Z.

I have shot about 40 rounds thru the gun 20 factory and probably that many or a little more of his reloads, It may very well be the best made 1911 on the planet.

Its a plain working gun, but oh does it work!
I especially like the plain jane, no frills look.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:06 AM
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I've gotta figure out how to make a .50GI rig. I first heard about the caliber a few months back when getting into 1911s... I thought WOW then, and still do now!
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:07 AM
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Somebody is making a frame so that one could try to "roll-your-own" .50 GI-but it's so unfinished that it isn't even classified as a frame by the feds. Would take massive amounts of machine shop skills & time to make a pistol out of it. Anyone remember the maker?
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:27 PM
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Sorry Greyson,

Brass is being made, stocking up on brass is not a deal breaker if you can drop 4 to 5 grand on a pistol, getting a few thousand cases for your toy is not going to stop you. there are two companies set up to make lead and plated bullets for it as well as Hornady making two kinds of jacketed bullets.


Its not going to replace the .45 acp, and no one is suggesting that, but its going to be as easy to get parts for as 9x23 or a 50 de for a long time

Sure ammo is expensive, but look at the 500 S&W, the 50 DE, the 460 S&W or the 454 Casull. Its right in that ball park, but made in a better gun.

Brass is only ,39 cents a case, and bullets for jacketed are 21 cents a piece. Its a very easy case to reload, and case life is approaching 20 reloads per case for my friend, when loaded .2 grains below listed max. IF you shoot a .454 casull, that brass cost is slightly less than what I see Hornady brass going for, and just about the same as what starline .454 brass is going for.
My perspective is the same as yours. My cheapest pistol is over 2k. And I could go on and on and on about how this caliber is a wildcat. And history has sent tons of wildcats to the scrap-heap.

But you are making my point with your post. Your post assumes a certain level of sophistication on the users part: Reloading, custom brass-sources, and comparisons to 500s, 454s, and 460s. All of this is fine.

But 99% of the people who go into gunstores and make impulse buys have no business buying a 50GI caliber weapon. I am just pointing out that the OP needs to be honest with himself. Is he a sophisticated user who can self-support? Or is he a gatherer who thinks 500 rounds is a lot of shooting?

And it should be said. Maybe it has no bearing on this thread, but I have yet to meet anyone who shoots 500s, 454, 460s, 50AEs, or 50GI by the thousands and thousands and thousands.

In closing, I like the caliber. I want it to catch on. I know what I would like it to become. But I am not deluding myself about what it really is right now.

Regards,
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:31 PM
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I Got One!!

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Anybody here own and/or carry one of these?
I like the looks of this round.
I own a Model 1 stanless .50 cal. What a great gun.
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:09 AM
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Congrads!

I get the "Where have you been all my life" feeling evertime I shoot it. I'm inspired by 6 associates who carry a government all day, everyday. I'm ording an IWB holster today.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:17 PM
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45 conversion review..

"Fired my M1 for 2.5hrs last night. Started with 30rnds of 300gn 50 just to check the zero. Makes nice little clovers at 15yrds. You have to change the target frequently because the middle falls out after 10 or so rounds. Those are my HEAVY non-tactical loads that came with the gun.

Tried 50rnds of 185gn 45 Federal Gold Match Waddies, unsupported and not really aiming as much, the 1" center of the target just fell out after 5 shots.....I've never seen a 45 do that before My LB is 40, and not that accurate (on par with my Sig X5-40). Only my Sig X5T-9mm shoots that good. I frequently hit staples on other's targets to drop their paper at the end of the range.

Finished up with 230gn 45 nato ball (pretty stout) thinking is would spread the pattern out some. At this point I was getting a little tired and shaky from a 32oz Monster after lunch. Checked the point of impact, which hadn't changed, then threw 30rnds at one target. I actually called several really bad sight pics, but every time I checked the spotting scope, all I saw was a ragged 1.5" hole where the X normally lives. Stopped even trying to aim by the last mag and managed to toss two shots in the 9 ring at 3 and 6.

Even at retail, the guncrafter is worth the price, maybe even a deal. MY instructor has a $6k Morris that might not shoot that good.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:42 PM
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Brass is only 39 cents a case, and bullets for jacketed are 21 cents a piece.

That is not extravagant, considering that it is a low-pressure round and you should get quite a few reloads from each case.

I am not familiar with the diameter/availability of the .50 GI, .50AE or .50 S&W lead bullets, but if I were a handloader (and I am) I would be reading up....
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:12 PM
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I have a GC No Name Commander in .45ACP and it is one of the best built 1911's out there. If the .50GI is a round you're wanting to get into, you CAN'T go wrong with one of Alex's guns. Here's my GC NN. Hardchromed of course.







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Old 12-03-2010, 01:38 PM
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50 gi

I own a Model 1. After 3 yrs it still is wonderful,and thrilling to look at and shoot either way .45/.50.Traditionally full size is in my opinion, the way to start out . I am fond of the commander size pistols and would recomend the model 3 if one is already well versed 1911 usage.Thats just my 2995 +++ u.s.d. .02 of in put Happy hunting and best regards. Joe Spenard 99519
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